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If you haven't heard of Google or the Apache Software Foundation, don't worry. It seems the flacks writing Oracle's press releases haven't heard of them either.

On Tuesday, Oracle blasted out a press release announcing the Java Community Process vote in favor of Oracle's Java 7 and 8 plan, saying its Java roadmap has been endorsed by "all major Java players." The Reg revealed the results of that vote here on Monday.

The database giant said its JSRs 336 and 337 have been "formally approved by an overwhelming majority in the JCP Executive Committee [EC]."

Senior vice president for Oracle Fusion Middleware and Java Hasan Rizvi said Oracle appreciated the efforts of the EC and the entire Java community.

What Oracle forgot to mention was those not included in the majority. It also glossed over the sour feelings towards Oracle caused by the vote.

Among those voting "no" to Oracle's plan were Google and the ASF, though these weren't considered "major Java players" by Oracle.

ASF is home to some of the biggest and most popular open-source projects on the web, gave us the ubiquitous server, and is one of the JCP's longest serving participants.

Google? The internet's largest search and advertising company, owner of Android - the fastest growing mobile phone operating system.

Ringing any bells, yet?

Oh, yeah: Oracle's suing Google for patent infringements in Android while Oracle's refused ASF a license for its Java SE implementation, Project Harmony, which is partially used by Android.

The pair did not vote against the technical merits of Oracle's JSRs but rather objected to the field-of-use and licensing restrictions Oracle's imposed on Java.

Oracle has refused to grant ASF's Harmony a license to use the Java Test Compatibility Kit (TCK), which must be used to prove Harmony meets the official Java standard.

Oracle's release didn't bother providing any niggling details on the vote either, details that would clearly detract from the back patting.

The Reg understands that those "major Java players" who voted "yes" also recorded their dissatisfaction with Oracle's handling of the JCP or of its control over who licenses Java.

Members of the Java Standard Edition (SE) and Enterprise Edition (EE) EC who voted "yes" did so based on the plan's technical merits. Like ASF and Google, they objected to Oracle's field-of-use and license restrictions.

A further "no" vote came from independent SE/EE EC member Tim Peierls, who reversed his original abstain and who blogged Tuesday that he's quitting the committee in protest at Oracle's "ambiguous" licensing terms on Java 7 and 8

Peierls is an independent SE/EE EC member not affiliated with any vendor, and he becomes the second independent to quit since October.

The independent proceeded to reject Oracle's justification for its proposed changes to Java, which include Projects Coin and Lambda.

Peierls said he's come to believe the roadmap really represents the interests of big vendors like Oracle selling products rather than serving the needs of developers working with Java in the communities.

Adam Messinger, vice president of Oracle Fusion Middleware, became the latest Oracle employee Monday to justify Java 7 and 8 in terms of needing to move the Java forward.

"Together, these developments demonstrate a renewed energy behind Java and strengthen its future as the language and platform of choice," he said in Oracle's announcement.

Peierls responded: "I'm coming to believe something heretical, that it actually is not all that crucial for Java to move forward, at least not to the constituency I felt that I represented on the EC, the tens of thousands of Java developers who don't work for a big company with an Oracle contract.

"While I think things like Project Coin and Project Lambda are worth working on, the Java ecosystem is already so amazingly rich that the absence of these features (and of all the other good things planned for SE7 and SE8) in practice doesn't get in the way of real progress for developers like me, who just want to put together maintainable, type-safe programs, taking advantage of field-tested readily-available libraries and frameworks."

Peierls follows in the footsteps of Doug Lea, an authority on concurrency in Java, who walked of the JCP in October just as Oracle proposed one of its own customers to sit on the EC.

At the time, Lea said the JCP was no longer a credible specification and standards body because of Oracle's refusal to grant Harmony the TCK and Oracle's restrictions on Java licensing. "There is no remaining useful role for an independent advocate for the academic and research community on the EC," he blogged. ®

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Death of Java? Really?

Some people keep saying that it's the end and death of Java but if that's not just hyperbole and foot-stamping I'd like to see it explained.

Unless there's some great shift in language concepts (as happened in going from VB6 to VB.Net) then it's the same language, and potential for growth and change is the same whether the JCP approves or not.

And let's not forget that Sun was coming to see JCP as an obstacle as well as an advantage so little has changed, except the death of JCP has come on Oracle's watch. Believing the JCP was ever in control of Java was simply illusion. If people bought into that illusion, "suckered" seems to be the best way to put it, and they only have themselves to blame. I suspect much of the 'Java is dead' railing is belatedly waking up and smelling the coffee. Welcome to the real world.

Maybe Oracle will impose costs on using Java or do things which which makes it less appealing and causes its demise but turfing out the JCP, or turning them into a yes-men committee, won't kill it off per se.

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endorsed by "all major Java players."

You don't seem to understand how a committee works.

The view of "the committee" is set once a vote is passed, with no consideration for individal members. Since the committee represents by its own definition "all major Java players", then the claim is correct. Only once ASF and Google leave the committee, would that claim not be true.

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That's who

They must mean "Groggle", the booze search engine from australia...

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