Employers call for end to Mickey Mouse degrees
Send fewer to uni, charge 'em more
A recruiters group is calling for an end to government targets to get 50 per cent of school leavers involved in higher education.
It claims the views represent its 750 members who between them hire 30,000 graduates a year.
The recruiters said that aiming to get half of under-30s into higher education has driven down standards and devalued degrees as well as damaging the university experience for all students.
The Association of Graduate Recruiters (AGR) said this meant employers no longer trusted degrees and there needed to be a move back to quality and away from quantity.
It called for an end to the degree classification system and supports the introduction of the Higher Education Achievement Report - which has already been trialled at 18 universities and should go nationwide next year. This gives graduates a report card which includes existing degree classifications as well as more information on modules taken and extra-curricular activities.
The recruiters also want an end to caps on tuition fees, but this should happen in stages and safeguards put in place for disadvantaged students. Parents and students should be encouraged to save for a university education.
Although it accepts that "there is no shared definition of employability amongst employers and universities", it still calls for universities to "develop the curriculum in a way which embeds employability skills in every degree course".
AGR also said the system for hiring foreign graduates was too difficult for employers - except for large firms which can afford legal and visa advice. The visa system should be streamlined and made more flexible for UK businesses to thrive. ®
I used to work in IT at a bank that has offices all around the world and workign at the main HQ
I had people from IT who have 3 to 5 certification from Microsoft and Linux always come up to me askign me things and I get this look on my face.....Like..
Hey wait... I am the one who is self taught with no certifications at all not even an A+ cert and
I get all these wankers comming to me all the darn time asking me for pc,network,OS issues and support.
Really now. I am sick of it! Besides it proves that these tests they take prove nothing!
here's a radical idea...
...instead of putting the blame on Universities and hiking up fees, take some responsibilty yourselves.
Don't advertise job as "Degree level" and take on some twat with a degree in French Media and Jazz recital" for a job in IT.
If there are people taking stupid degrees and employers stop employing them, they they will fade out.
One of our sales departments boasted that they took on degree applicants, most couldn't write their own f**king name let alone show any sort of sales skills.
Get the right people for the job, regardless of a bit of paper.
The Graduate Syndrome...
... is what , as a manager, I used to call the influx of barely-literate graduates I was latterly obliged to accept direct from university, rather than skilled and talented people who had already proved themselves in the workplace but couldn't tick all the requisite squares on the Human Resources computer-generated application form. People who had been getting their knees brown in a workplace while their barely-pubescent new bosses had been playing student drinking games.
In my experience at least 50% of degrees awarded in this country are Mickey Mouse degrees. I've had Engineering graduates who couldn't tell me what Boyle's Law was. English graduates who couldn't write a page in Queen's English, even with a word processor and spell-checker. Management graduates who couldn't organise a booze-up in a brewery.
Worst of all was the common assumption with such types that - if university-educated people couldn't come up with an answer to a problem - that simply proved the problem was insoluble. A situation common throughout government and upper management these days. Almost invariably, they were and are wrong.
In my book, education - especially higher education - is MEANT to be divisive. That's it's purpose, as long as the division is by educational excellence and not parental income. Education - like money - suffers from inflation. Forget that and a job market unable to assess employees by educational 'standards' simply finds its own level.
When I started my career my job required a few good O-Levels. By the time I retired they required graduates - and the comparison was woeful. Better the best of a lower education stream than the worst of the upper.
Re: right people for the job
Oh, so true it hurts.
When I was out of work last year, I would apply for jobs I could do with my eyes shut and one hand tied behind by back, yet was consistently overlooked for jobs due to the fact I have no formal degree qualifications. Thirteen years constant, practical experience covering a wide range of app support, tech support, ops and development exposure meant nothing because I didn't have a degree - any degree. Tell me, what would I have learnt had I have taken a BSc (hons.) in Practical Psychological Impact of iPhone Fart Apps in Modern Society that could be more useful to an employer than thirteen years solid experience of using SQL (or some other skill) as stated by the job description?
Morons, I hope you choke on your retarded hoodie graduates.
Ending the caps is all very well for the poor and the rich, but what about those of us who are in the middle? Social engineering is already rampant - one friend's daughter was not allowed to go to an open day at Cambridge because she is not in receipt of the £30/week bribe that the government gives to disadvantaged pupils. Doesn't seem to matter that she's a straight-A* student, instead they are dropping the entry requirements to C grades for certain groups, just what we need for our future doctors/vets...