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Intel officially unveiled its long-delayed Tukwila "mission-critical" server processor today - now dubbed the Itanium 9300 series - providing a few more details about the 2-billion transistor part and giving some color on why it was over three years late.

Made in conjunction with this week's International Solid-State Circuits Conference (ISSCC) in San Francisco, the announcement was not unexpected, as we reported earlier.

"Simply put, this is a technology marvel," enthused Kirk Skaugen, Intel vice president of the Intel architecture group and general manager of the data center group, focusing on what he referred to as the Itanium 9300's "mission-critical innovation."

The 9300 is Intel's seventh generation of Itanium, and the company has committed to, as Skaugen put it, "at least two generations more," code-named Poulson and Kittson. Describing the fact that all three Itaniums will be both socket and binary compatible, he said: "There's one thing that people really demand here, and that's the ability to not have to do 'forklift upgrades' on a regular basis. They want investment protection."

Skaugen also noted that the multithreaded four-core 9300 is the first Itanium that will allow eight processors to be connected gluelessly, without a node controller, in the same system. He also mentioned that HP will offer 64-socket 9300 systems with node controllers.

Like Intel's latest x86 processors, the 9300 will take advantage of the company's TurboBoost technology, which bumps up the performance on individual cores when other cores are idle due to such factors as inefficiently parallelized applications.

That boost, however, is far from spectacular. Responding to a question about its effect on the Itanium 9350, Skaugen noted that: "The top frequency is 1.73GHz, and will boost to 1.86GHz."

Skaugen also pointed out that the 9300 is the first Itanium to use the QuickPath Interconnect (QPI), which he claims offers nine-times the performance of the now-obsolete frontside bus with the help of a latency-reducing snooping protocol called Directory Snoop.

"We spent a tremendous amount of time on the memory subsystem," said Skaugen, citing "architectural decisions that were made by marketing." And this course-correction in the 9300's development was one of the prime causes for the delay in Tukwila's birthing as the Itanium 9300 series. "As many of you know," he said, "about a year ago we made a change, where we moved away from fully buffered DIMM memory to industry-standard DDR3 memory."

Skaugen claimed that it wasn't the fault of Tukwila's central design principles that the 9300 series was late. "It hasn't necessarily been the issue that Tukwila wasn't functional, it was the fact that we changed a pretty major part of the design - that entire memory buffer chip didn't exist a year ago."

Despite the delay that it caused in Tukwila's development, Skaugen argues that dropping FB-DIMMs was worth the delay. "We think that DDR3 memory, which is obviously mainstream across all of our Intel Xeon 5500 products today is a good architecture as we look forward, and provide this investment protection from Tukwill - today 9300 - to Poulson to Kittson."

The change, according to Skaugen, was "to make sure we could deliver a long roadmap - six, seven, eight years kind of thing - on this next-generation [HP] Superdome and other platforms from our OEMs."

The change to DDR3 also allowed the 9300's platform to share major platform components with the Nehalem EX Xeon processors, which Skaugen said would appear in the next 90 days. "Many, many years ago," Skaugen reminisced, "at the Intel Developer Forum, we promised something called the Common Platform between the Xeon architecture and the Itanium architecture."

"A lot of people, I don't think, thought were were serious when we talked about this five years ago," Skaugen joked. Then he ticked off the common platform elements that will be shared by the two processors: the I/O hub - which can scale to 72 PCI-Express lanes; the ICH-10 controller hub; the system-memory interconnect; and the 7500 memory-buffer.

"Why do we care about this memory buffer?" Skaugen asked rhetorically. Then he answered himself: "Well, the combination of the memory controller and the memory buffer enables us to do those reliability features...but it also allows us with 16GB DIMMs to scale up to a terabyte of memory."

The common elements will also enable OEMs to build node controllers common to Xeon and Itanium systems. "What's important is the R&D economics," Skaugen said. "If you're building a large-class Itanium system, the R&D reuse that you can get onto a node controller now over to your Xeon-class system is very, very strong."

And that R&D reuse is intended to remain reuseable through Poulson and Kittson. Although he declined to give any details on Kittson, Skaugen said: "We going to double the performance - or more - again with Poulson, just like we did with Tukwila, and we're going to have significant architectural advancements...

"It has instruction-level enhancements, it'll be socket compatible, it'll be binary compatible so you don't have to change anything in your software, it'll have more cores, enhanced hyperthreading, etcetera. And we'll be moving to 32-nanometer technology."

But don't expect Poulson and Kittson to show up at the same "tick-tock" yearly time frame as do Intel's x86 chips. "We're going with two-year, approximately, beat rate."

With Tukwila the Itanium 9300 series being released so far behind schedule, Skaugen took pains to assure his audience that Poulson won't meet the same fate. "What we've done is now we've actually built a completely seamless and single tools suite...which greatly enhances the predictability.

"We have hundreds and hundreds of engineers working on Poulson and Kittson right now...We're on an approximately every two-year beat rate for this processor, so that's what we're staffed to go do."

We'll check back in 2012 and see if those hundreds and hundreds of folks make the Itanium's next deadline. ®

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Always late and not worth the wait

The latest Itanium processor is again a disappointment. Not sure why it is the 9300, maybe the DDR2 version which never made it to market was 9200.

Some glaring deficiencies are the 65nm fab and 1.73GHz. While Intel is bragging about 32nm in the beginning of the pitch they do not mention the nm on Tukwila.

While they brag about 8 threads per processor they are actually only saying it is still only two threads per core. For a 2 Billion transistor processor and 24MB of cache you would think it could have more than 4 cores.

I see SGI and Unisys have dropped out of the Itanium vendor list and the only people left are HP and people that are only looking to create a 4 socket mostly Intel box.

Strange seeing a big announcement for a chip that will not be in systems for 90days. Not sure the purpose except to say to HP's current customers that there is some hope.

Curious where the 2nd generation virtualization came from or was the 1st gen just on Xeon. Does any OS/software take advantage of any Itanium virtualization. All I have seen is partitioning and HP's IVM which is HP-UX and has 20%-50% overhead. True hardware virtualization is certainly needed.

Funny quote:

"The 9300 is Intel's seventh generation of Itanium...There's one thing that people really demand here, and that's the ability to not have to do 'forklift upgrades' on a regular basis. They want investment protection." Kirk Skaugen, Intel vice president of the Intel architecture group and general manager of the data center group

==> Itanium 9300 is a forklift upgrade. Their is no upgrade path from any prior chip.

clear example of a negative and make it look like a positive.

Curious how many QPI ports are on the chip and if it will suffer from the same chip hop problem that Nehalem EX will have beyond four socket. Reminds me of the AMD hyper-transport problem past 3 sockets.

RedHat RHEL6 - another ISV to drop support.

Are their any virtualization offerings out there that can scale a virtual machine past 8 threads on Itanium? VMWare does not work on Itanium and HP's Integrity Virtual Machine last I checked had an 8 thread limit which makes it limited to one Tukwila chip.

The best they could do for a performance number is spec_int and fp but not actually put the numbers in the press release. I am betting Nehalem and Power are 2X to 4X Itanium.

Will there be a real benchmark any time soon like SAP or TPC.

Any vegas odds on Poulson 2012=>2014having the same schedule as Tukwila. 2006=>2010.

When does the Intel agreement with HP end?

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"Mission critical innovation"???

Shall we have a look at some of the RAS claims in the "Technical White Paper"? It's at

http://h20341.www2.hp.com/integrity/downloads/21568_Intel_Tukwila_Tech_WP_r06.pdf

Some of the "mission critical RAS" claims include:

Memory scrubbing (caches and main memory): sorry, been around for years on x86 and elsewhere, particularly on cache, e.g. from 2004: http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~shubu/papers/cachescrub-prdc2004.pdf

Dynamic link rerouting: Hypertransport had that long before Quickpath came out.

Processor onlining/offlining: VMS had that when SMP was introduced (mid 1980s) though (as below) it's not *that* relevant as a RAS feature.

Processor hot plug/hotswap: Proliant had that years ago, though like onlining/offlining it's actually mostly a slideware feature as few (not none) OS/application combinations can sensibly use it. Same goes for memory hotswap.

"Chipkill" equivalents and variants (posher than ECC memory protection): initially from IBM, then in Sun and Proliant and elsewhere. Since the 1990s.

Memory migration: been in the ex-Tandem boxes for years, no specific chip dependency involved, just sensible system design.

PCI (Express) Hot Plug: Proliant had PCI hot swap ages ago, can't say for PCI Express right now.

Quickpath RAS: Now the same across IA64 and Xeon Quickpath RAS? So where's the IA64 RAS advantage?

Etc.

Actually, that's basically it. Nothing new to see here.

If you want to stay with HP-UX or VMS, best to just contact your HP rep and ask when they're introducing a Proliant/AMD64 version of your favourite OS.

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This makes me sad

Not for itanic, it hit the ground running like a norwegian blue. But for alpha and parisc. They were good chips, which itanic <teen speak>so totally</> is not. Even the execs know it and tell you to go x86_64. As to amd, well, where did you think intel had x86_64 from? The irony is blistering.

The problem here is that beyond ibm's POWER line, there's nothing innovating except what fits in the x86 straitjacket. And that is on a deeper level just as bad as forcing your sofware world of innovation in the micros~1 straitjacket. The only other contender in chip innovation is not in HPC: Amazingly ARM is trying to chew through from the bottom, despite intel and micros~1 ganging up on it to try and kill it dead.

Hoisting one in remebrance of lost friends, and to PA Semi and Transmeta, who at least tried to stir things up a bit.

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