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Comments on: Microsoft opens arms to Firefox with OXML plug-in release

Pushing the envelope 

Posted Wednesday 3rd December 2008 16:55 GMT

"Redmond has been heavily pushing the interoperability envelope over the past 18 months."

Damn true. A large brown envelope, fully loaded with greenbacks.

Also, is it just me or ridiculous buzzspeak abounds in El Reg these days? Is there a secret contest about who will insert more in their article, or something? Is it linked to the recent surveys?

In any case, please stop. It sure doesn't make you sound clever. I tend not to enjoy marketting drones' prose, so I feel the urge to stop reading each time I encounter such a stupid buzzword.

No no no no! 

Posted Wednesday 3rd December 2008 17:00 GMT

I hope the Firefox team will be putting something in the next release to stop this plug-in working, just like MS has done in the past!

To support its use is just playing into MS' game.

What a great idea 

Posted Wednesday 3rd December 2008 17:05 GMT

Thumb Down

I make sure to use a browser that has a reasonable chance of being secure and well maintained - and then I add a plug-in written by Microsoft.

Perhaps I could go on to improve the security of my house by installing a hook outside the front door to hang the keys on.

What about the others? 

Posted Wednesday 3rd December 2008 17:21 GMT

Gates Horns

So will this wonder plugin work with Opera, Chrome, Safari, w3m, Lynx etc?

Not ideal 

Posted Wednesday 3rd December 2008 17:54 GMT

Well, it's released in the sense that if you can find the website, you can download an archive, extract and install it locally.

But presumably that means manual updates.

How hard can it be to "release" it online like a normal plugin?

"Microsoft opens arms" 

Posted Wednesday 3rd December 2008 19:44 GMT

Gates Horns

Yep, Microsoft's philosophy has always been to open their arms wide -- at least since (MS VP) Paul Maritz used the phrase "Embrace, extend, and extinguish" in a 1995 meeting with Intel to describe Microsoft's strategy toward Netscape, Java, and the Internet. Nothing new here...

OXML or the Office '07 format? 

Posted Wednesday 3rd December 2008 21:12 GMT

Flame

Notice how MS doesn't support OXML (as defined by the specification) in Office '07, so don't hold your breath for this plugin doing so either.

So, once again... 

Posted Wednesday 3rd December 2008 21:29 GMT

"The software giant said that its new Open XML Document Viewer works within Firefox and can be used on Windows and Linux platforms without needing a local installation of MS Office."

So, once again Macintosh users are callously and cruelly locked out of the fun and joy of using Microsoft's latest...

...oh, wait a minute...

I don't want or need to read Office-formatted files in my browser...

,,,and I've got OpenOffice installed, anyway, should some misguided soul start spreading them around.

Never mind... Have fun; carry on!

Open source 

Posted Wednesday 3rd December 2008 21:49 GMT

Gates Halo

Hold your horses, guys. Before you start slating this plug-in as a potential security risk, it is actually open sourced under the Microsoft Public License (MS-PL). That's not to say there aren't any security bugs but at least the code is open to public scrutiny.

What's also interesting here is that while this wasn't primarily developed by Microsoft themselves, they have had a large hand in it and so what we have here is an open source implementation of Open XML with Microsoft's name on it. Unless they choose to deliberately break it in places (I'm a Linux user but I'm not quite that cynical) then this could prove invaluable to free software developers who are finding it difficult to provide good compability with Microsoft Office due to the ambiguous, contradictory and downright confusing specs. Unless I'm mistaken, they could possibly even swipe some of the code directly because apparently MS-PL is compatible with GPLv3.

Beware Greeks bearing gifts 

Posted Wednesday 3rd December 2008 22:53 GMT

Unhappy

as the Trojans would say.

Dumbest idea ever 

Posted Wednesday 3rd December 2008 23:29 GMT

Flame

Wow. Who's going to be stupid enough to install an MS plugin that will undoubtedly open up numerous security loopholes?

Any bets on whether MS manages to require a reboot for you to update this plugin? Plus it'll probably phone home every 30 minutes to WGA and warn that you are using an unlicensed copy of Firefox. "WGA was unable to verify the integrity of Firefox.exe. Are you sure you wish to allow this program to run?"

Smart move for MS 

Posted Thursday 4th December 2008 03:00 GMT

Gates Horns

They wouldn't want some other Open... office document handling plugin getting out there first would they?

If you can get your proprietary format used on the web/intranet instead of proper standards, you can keep pushing your office suite as the default intranet/office document authoring tool. We can't have OpenOffice being used for cross-platform compatibility can we?

Is this the embrace or the extend part of the process?

Given the binary blob issue of ooxml, its already got built in "doesn't work as well as windows would" status. Now we're feature complete: "extinguish" all present and correct.

OXML 

Posted Thursday 4th December 2008 03:25 GMT

Unhappy

Open XML: because its just like XML but open.

E.E.E. 

Posted Thursday 4th December 2008 04:28 GMT

This would be the "embrace" part of "embrace, extend, extinguish", or the "extend" part? Hard to tell these days with Microsoft.

Is this the "Open"XML version they stuffed down ISO's throat, or is this some incompatible version? I was under the impression that the ISO version still hadn't been implemented anywhere?

hahahaha 

Posted Thursday 4th December 2008 09:05 GMT

"Wow. Who's going to be stupid enough to install an MS plugin that will undoubtedly open up numerous security loopholes?"

You do know that firefox has security issues right, its why it needs patching still here and there!

No software is perfect, not even your precious open source stuff, get your head out of the clouds and into the real world.

@Patrick O'Reilly 

Posted Thursday 4th December 2008 10:19 GMT

+1 for judging them for not provided a feature that was never promised!

OOXML ISO approved? 

Posted Thursday 4th December 2008 12:27 GMT

You know, for an IT publication, The Register seems to be missing a lot of details these days.

When stating that OOXML has been ISO approved, it's probably a good idea to state that this *isn't* the version that's currently shipping with Office 2007, and that Microsoft have also stated that they have no current plans to update Office to use the ISO approved OOXML.

Other browsers 

Posted Thursday 4th December 2008 12:45 GMT

I should add that most other browsers use the same plug-in format, which is generally known as Netscape-compatible, so it should work with them. It's only IE that does its own thing... as usual.

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