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Comments on: US, UK deploy manned unmanned aircraft to save bandwidth

Bandwidth 

Posted Thursday 20th November 2008 16:04 GMT

Wouldn't some sort of high altitude blimp be the best solution to the bandwidth problem?

I'm sure Dickie Branson could lend some of his ballooning expertise to developing one...

Kamikaze 

Posted Thursday 20th November 2008 16:27 GMT

Coat

'nuff said.

Remember folks, trust is a moral action. Machines are not moral actors. If you can't trust pilots not to shoot up folks on the same side, you are going to trust an autonomous UACV?

Oh, and some NATO countries fly MIGs.

Why not just stick a troll inside and convince him it's just a game? Trolls iz cheap. Or pigeons.

CCTV 

Posted Thursday 20th November 2008 17:33 GMT

Coat

Why not just install CCTV on all the street corners in afghanistan - it magically cuts crime by just being there.

bandwidth , what bandwidth ? 

Posted Friday 21st November 2008 12:06 GMT

Just trying to get handle on which bandwidth is in question.

Is it satalight or ground based problems.

just thinking, the predators et all need to talk over the horizon, so tend to use satalights, but

could they not be set to use a more local relay like another plane near by but far enough away, which then uses microwave link to connect to ground based fibre optic internet,

thus no need for satalight bandwidth.

"operate in pairs" 

Posted Friday 21st November 2008 14:56 GMT

Black Helicopters

All through this story I was wondering why they don't have a really cheap drone/blimp of some sort that can have a high endurance and just act as a relay. It wouldn't even take much to turn loose a fleet of them and using off the shelf kit make them into a fully meshed wireless network that can be fault tolerant (say while the replacement birds are heading up to position or bad weather) and get all the data back to the ground stations.

Satellite Launches Expensive 

Posted Saturday 22nd November 2008 17:37 GMT

Pirate

>Is it satalight or ground based problems.

Satellites are extremely expensive to put into geosynchronous orbit. A big communications sat comes at 1 billion Euros or more. The heavy lifter (like the Ariane V) alone is easily 500 million Euros a "shot". The SpaceShuttle launches are even more expensive.

Nevertheless, modern Sats do GBit/s transfers and actually outcompete fiber even in some stationary applications like big software R&D projects (exchanging tons of source code etc).

Probably, cheap high-altitude a/c like the Global Hawk, the U-2 or the Grob Egrett could help out. Even the WW2 Mosquito might be able to do the job.

These a/c could carry either mulit-Gbit/s Laser or microwave comms. I recently read something about high-speed laser comms channel research to deal with the problem of temporal signal dispersion in the atmosphere. It's basically solveable with a ton of FPGA's or ASICs.

Range Calculations 

Posted Saturday 22nd November 2008 17:56 GMT

Pirate

Pythagoras will tell you

d=sqrt(2*R*h+h*h)

with R=6300km and h the altitude of the a/c

with h=20km (Global Hawk, U-2 or Egrett) that's d==502km (==1004km if used as a relay)

Google turns up this: http://www.fas.org/irp/program/collect/global_hawk_10.gif

Driver chappies 

Posted Wednesday 26th November 2008 04:45 GMT

The whole point of tactical UAVs is that they fly in the area of interest of the tactical commander on the ground. In Afghanisatn the easiest solution might be to secure the odd mountain top and put the UAV ground station there with a high bandwidth line of sight terrestial link to wherever imagery is needed.

Incidentally it's only in the old fashioned services, RAF and RN, USAF, USN, etc that insist that a driver chappy has to be a proper orrficer. In the British army air corps most pilots are sergeants & WOs, they are trained as pilots having reached substantive corporal in any part of the army. A few years back there was some wonderful stuff in the Parliamentary Defence Cttee hearings when the elected representatives chastised the RAF and RN over their elitist ways, and RAF/RN justifications were BS and fiction of a very high order.

Sergeant Pilots. 

Posted Monday 1st December 2008 13:07 GMT

The RAF may still be a little embarrassed by the differences in treatment of officers and other ranks, when they were held as POWs in WW2.

The Army, on the other hand, doesn't need anything like as many junior officers in a combat unit as the RAF uses, and Sergeants would probably tell you that most of them are expendable.

The Army has never quite left the world of ten-rupee jezails. The RAF just issued goolie chits.

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