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Excellent! 

Posted Tuesday 4th November 2008 09:59 GMT

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If anyone deserves the title "Defender of Democracy" it's people like PEO Pete that enable people to make their own choices about who they want to be governed by.

An amazing insight 

Posted Tuesday 4th November 2008 10:29 GMT

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Cheers, Pete :)

Title? What, where? 

Posted Tuesday 4th November 2008 10:42 GMT

Excellent article - it made for an interesting read.

Might be nice to hear how/if you think things could be improved...

Well done 

Posted Tuesday 4th November 2008 10:46 GMT

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Well done.

And I like your idea of using the prime directives to allow you to cut through conflicting priorities.

Sam

Defibrillators? 

Posted Tuesday 4th November 2008 10:47 GMT

Just how stressful is voting in the US? Or is it a case of "I'm voting for Oba*KZZZAAPP*McCain?

Seriously, though, seemed like a good article. Glad to hear of someone enjoying their work!

Write more next week 

Posted Tuesday 4th November 2008 10:52 GMT

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Great article, write a follow-up next week and let us know how it went today.

Brilliant. 

Posted Tuesday 4th November 2008 11:09 GMT

Good job both on the article and at work.

Well done, PEO Pete! 

Posted Tuesday 4th November 2008 11:23 GMT

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As I get ready to go and vote, you remind me of the importance of the act. I cannot thank you enough, even though I'm in MA, for doing *more* than your part to make sure everyone who's eligable to vote, gets to vote.

Keep up the good work, and sleep soundly tonight, knowing that your work is appreciated.

Peter

This is what democracy is 

Posted Tuesday 4th November 2008 11:24 GMT

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Hard work to make sure it doesn't go wrong, and there are oh so many places it can go wrong. Tyranny is much, much easier - at least, at start. :-) Good article.

All that faffing around 

Posted Tuesday 4th November 2008 11:46 GMT

And there is still vote rigging on a massive scale in the largest democracy.

More of the same! 

Posted Tuesday 4th November 2008 12:02 GMT

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* More of the same comments above - very good article, thoroughly enjoyed.

* More of the same writer, as suggested, a "round-up" after the fact would be great.

* More of the same type of people, involved in the process!

Robocop. Heh. Like it.

A true defender of Democracy 

Posted Tuesday 4th November 2008 12:20 GMT

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keep up the excellent and vital work.

Glasses will be raised in your honour tonight.

Reminds me of 1994 

Posted Tuesday 4th November 2008 12:28 GMT

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What a great article. Your passion for democracy shines through!

Your stories reminded me very much of being a student in South Africa. On 14 April 1994, we had our first multi-racial democratic elections open to all citizens. The queues stretched for kilometers, people came out of their houses to serve drinks to the people waiting.

Real-politik and reality come crashing in after election day, but those moments shine clear with hope and possibility.

My hat off to Pete 

Posted Tuesday 4th November 2008 12:32 GMT

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What you do is admirable. Well done. You put the faith back into the farce of what's become of the US election.

I hope 

Posted Tuesday 4th November 2008 12:38 GMT

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That UK elections are staffed with similarly brilliantly people. And in fact that those like Pete outnumber the prejudiced biddies in the US too.

And also that Pete can write more for El Reg!

best article ive read on elReg 

Posted Tuesday 4th November 2008 12:43 GMT

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very well written. write more!

Fantasic article 

Posted Tuesday 4th November 2008 12:47 GMT

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Its nice to know that some people really do care about the vote.

Nice 

Posted Tuesday 4th November 2008 12:54 GMT

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It's great to read a story from people like this. The history books will have XYZ did such and such with his one or two supporters, but at the end of the day it's hard working grass-roots people that make history, without them movements can't happen.

Thanks for the peek into a how the elections work.

Good on you Pete 

Posted Tuesday 4th November 2008 12:55 GMT

I'm glad to see that someone cares about democracy, and is taking care of those who need help. The idea that someone thinks "just let them mess up the vote if they don't know what they are doing" makes me sick. You give a voice to those who want to change the world, not just to those who have the money, power and education to change the world.

Kudos to Pete! 

Posted Tuesday 4th November 2008 12:56 GMT

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As someone who urges people to vote I can't thank you enough for making so many things happen smoothly behind the scenes.

I voted with a paper ballot today smoothly and quickly and it's likely thanks to people like you.

Thank you!

Awesome work 

Posted Tuesday 4th November 2008 12:57 GMT

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Great to get some insight into the voting system over there. Thanks for putting in the extra time to inform us about what goes down in the weeks running up to a presidential election. It's no wonder there can be discrepancies and miscounts with the amount of work you guys have to get through.

Take it easy after it's all over, mate. Sounds like you'll need it.

Wow 

Posted Tuesday 4th November 2008 13:03 GMT

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What a deeply moving article. Democracy made real.

Thank you.

A reminder of what America can be 

Posted Tuesday 4th November 2008 13:04 GMT

When I grew up in thte UK in the 60's all Americans seemed to me to be like Pete - honest, friendly, decent, practical and full of common sense. I'm sure that even after Nixon, Reagan, Clinton and the Bushes large chunks of America must still be full of people like him. Hopefully the next election will let these people shine.

Lovely article Pete and like everybody else here I hope you write a follow up.

What an excellent article. 

Posted Tuesday 4th November 2008 13:08 GMT

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And what a top bloke, too.

A Surprise Classic 

Posted Tuesday 4th November 2008 13:11 GMT

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When I started reading this article, I didn't realise just how much it would draw me in. Turns out to be one of the most fascinating pieces ever to grace the pages of El Reg. Well done, Pete !

If McCain wins.... 

Posted Tuesday 4th November 2008 13:13 GMT

Stop

"I had lots of very young, poor black kids at our ghetto site, they'd march in and declare this was their first time voting and they were here to vote for Obama and nobody else. I'd raise a finger to my lips and go "Shh..." and say "we can't talk politics in here, we're just here for the election," and then I'd look them in the eye and wink. They'd burst into a broad smile, they couldn't believe this old white guy, The Man, was on their side, helping them vote. I'd take extra time to explain how the ballot worked. I hope they become lifetime voters, whatever party they choose."

WRONG!!!!! I do not even live in the US, but I know that most electronic voting machines DO not register vote for the president when you select straight party ticket. Thanks a lot for losing a vote for Obama, if Iowa uses one of those machines!

Good article 

Posted Tuesday 4th November 2008 13:14 GMT

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I was just there 45 minutes ago... Number 17 in line at 6:14AM. That's quite a turnout in a tiny little village of coal miners and farmers. (and one IT geek)

Our 'blue hairs' have retired over the years, and a younger (50-ish) crowd of women have taken their place... They'll have a long day ahead of them. Hats off to them.

Terrific 

Posted Tuesday 4th November 2008 13:17 GMT

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That is all.

Fascinating article 

Posted Tuesday 4th November 2008 13:22 GMT

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Thanks for taking the time to write it.

keep up the good work and good writing 

Posted Tuesday 4th November 2008 13:25 GMT

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good article and good work, keep it up

Brilliant stuff 

Posted Tuesday 4th November 2008 13:36 GMT

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Heartwarmingly lovely!

Excellent article. 

Posted Tuesday 4th November 2008 13:39 GMT

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Thanks Pete. It's good to know that at a fundamental level 'democracy' can and does work.

I'm currently trogging the streets for 2-3 hours every day getting people to complete their electoral register forms (so they can take part in our own impending circus of fools) and a small compensation is the thought that every person that completes their form is another one that can choose to take part in deciding just how this country is run.

Sometimes it's difficult to get people to see the power they have and that's why PEO Pete's are needed everywhere that democracy is supposed to be.

Zen and the art of voting 

Posted Tuesday 4th November 2008 13:39 GMT

This reminded me very much of Robert Pirsig

Well done Pete and thanx! 

Posted Tuesday 4th November 2008 13:46 GMT

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Excellent piece. As this election is for the self appointed "leader of the free world", as a Brit I also have an interest in the process and outcome. I'm glad to see people with principles still doing their bit. Well done and thanx for this highly interesting piece.

Another thumbs up 

Posted Tuesday 4th November 2008 14:19 GMT

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Fascinating and encouraging article!

So let me get this straight... 

Posted Tuesday 4th November 2008 14:47 GMT

...you haven't yet found a minute to vote yet you found hours to write a frickin' 3 page article?

The article was great by the way, but come on, the lack of time to vote whine at the end was... odd to say the least.

Excellent work! 

Posted Tuesday 4th November 2008 15:17 GMT

It reminds me of the line from Gandhi; "Be the change you want to see in the world".

Great Stuff 

Posted Tuesday 4th November 2008 15:46 GMT

Now cast your own ballot!

@Ian and others 

Posted Tuesday 4th November 2008 16:21 GMT

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Pete can only vote at his assigned location and the polls are not open 24 hours a day. He works a full shift helping others vote at other voting locations, then can't make it to his assigned location to vote - then spends hours of time after the polls are closed to write things up and tell us about it.

Thumbs up for all the folks doing their best to make the elections run smoothly.

Thanks from a fellow Iowan 

Posted Tuesday 4th November 2008 16:38 GMT

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Pete, I voted last Saturday at the First Avenue Hy-Vee in Iowa City and I thank you for making this election such a breeze with early satellite voting. My regular polling place is at City High School, and for the primaries we had people standing in the hall because there literally was no room left to stand in the cafeteria. If we had not been given the opportunity to vote early I am sure that the lines today would be unbearable.

I was sure to thank the poll workers when I voted and I thank you as well. Next time I vote I'll be sure to bring along something for you or your fellow PEO's to snack on.

One reason why I read the reg; the unexpected 

Posted Tuesday 4th November 2008 16:49 GMT

Well done to Pete for this work, and this splinter of autobiography. Update requested afterwards.

Well done also to whoever thought to solicit the article.

Voting rules 

Posted Tuesday 4th November 2008 17:08 GMT

I realise that the colonies decided to become independent, but they might consider retaining some of our voting rules:

"could take their absentee ballot to Boss Tweed, mark it in his presence and seal the envelope in front of him, then he could give the payoff and drop it in the mail for the voter"

In the UK, absentee ballots are cast in advance of the election. Having given your ballot you are still permitted to vote at a polling station, invalidating the absentee vote. I realise that is an imperfect safeguard.

Another safeguard is perhaps of more relevance in areas where people try to frustrate voter registration. UK voters are required by law to register, although they are not compelled to vote. While we may take that rule for granted, it would be a valuable safeguard in certain parts of the US, where people try to disenfranchise certain voters.

poll workers ROCK! 

Posted Tuesday 4th November 2008 17:37 GMT

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My mother-in-law used to be a poll worker in Seattle. She happened to be a Republican, in a Democrat-leaning area. This made her very valuable, because certain activities had to be supervised by workers affiliated with two different parties (to prevent hanky-panky don'tcha know). She was very proud of how hard the poll workers worked to provide a fair and honest election.

I love the grand inefficiency of elections. We can determine the outcome with a statistical sample of a few thousand eligible voters, but that's not how we do things. We build an immense machine to run flat out for a single day (yeah, I know about early voting, it's a metaphor), then tear it down. The inefficiency is as necessary as liberty, and as beautiful.

Nice One! 

Posted Tuesday 4th November 2008 18:24 GMT

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Good job mate !

Great Article 

Posted Tuesday 4th November 2008 19:24 GMT

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Just adding to the list of people who enjoyed this article, very informative, and very well written.

A follow up would be greatly appreciated.

Amazing 

Posted Tuesday 4th November 2008 19:41 GMT

Pete, I salute you! Without people like you, democracy would grind to a halt under the weight of it's own bureaucratic bulk!

I'm interested to know though, I suspect you either know Bill Bryson or are him because, well Iowa and the writing style, seems similar; I like it anyway! If you be not he then you should be added to the rolls of praiseworthy and 'famous' Iowans! Keep up the good work and I hope you never need that defibrilator!

Dead voters get to vote? 

Posted Tuesday 4th November 2008 19:53 GMT

Dead Vulture

Contrary to the article Obama's dead grandmother's advance vote will count. "Kevin Cronin, the Chief Elections Officer, confirmed that Mrs Dunham's absentee ballot, which was received on October 27, would count towards Mr Obama's final tally."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/barackobama/3380630/Barack-Obamas-grandmother-cast-ballot-in-one-of-her-final-acts.html

Great article except for this.

Wow... 

Posted Tuesday 4th November 2008 20:07 GMT

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That was great. Thanks a lot for the great article and the even greater work. Top notch stuff.

And yes, a follow up would be greatly appreciated too. And I'm not even American either, although I do live in VA. :-)

Straight party voting 

Posted Tuesday 4th November 2008 20:20 GMT

Boffin

"WRONG!!!!! I do not even live in the US, but I know that most electronic voting machines DO not register vote for the president when you select straight party ticket."

What the electronic voting machines do depends on the state laws for straight party voting. In some states, if you select straight party and then mark a preference for one partisan race*, that invalidates the straight party selection and then only your votes in specific races count. In others, the straight party selection is a default for all the partisan races where you don't vote, even if you do express specific preferences in some of them.

(Full disclosure: I learned this from being paid to proofread a manual for an electronic voting machine a couple times. If you think that pays a lot, consider me a paid lackey of the e-voting industry.)

*Note for readers outside the US: Adding another layer of complexity, only some of the races on the ballot will allow party endorsements. Generally your city- and county-level offices are nonpartisan elections, and your state and federal ones are partisan (with the notable exception in many states of judicial posts).

Solution to the "straight ticket" confusion 

Posted Tuesday 4th November 2008 21:56 GMT

Just make every voter mark every box. I don't know why they don't do that already, is it really such a hardship to tick "DEM DEM DEM DEM DEM DEM" instead of pulling a single lever?

Different rules in different places 

Posted Tuesday 4th November 2008 23:36 GMT

One of the more bizarre aspects of an American Election, from the point of view of a European, is the fact the there isn't a standard set of rules. So Obama's dead grandmother would have had her early-ballot pulled if she lived Iowa, but it's counted because she lives in Hawaii. And if she lived in Pennsylvania, she probably wouldn't have been allowed to vote early.

The same goes for the argument above about whether a "straight party ticket" vote includes the Presidential race - it does in some places, and not in others, apparently.

Of course, for European wide elections, each European country uses it's own rules, but then there aren't European-wide elections for a single office, just country-wide elections for local representation in a EU-wide parliament.

Dead people voting 

Posted Tuesday 4th November 2008 23:41 GMT

Boffin

"Contrary to the article Obama's dead grandmother's advance vote will count."

Nothing wrong with the article-- the author's in Iowa, and the grandmother's in Hawaii, where the laws are different.

Nice work, Pete. 

Posted Wednesday 5th November 2008 11:06 GMT

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Good to know that some people can still find it within themselves to look beyond petty procedural niggles to the overarching principles behind them.

OUTSTANDING! 

Posted Wednesday 5th November 2008 11:38 GMT

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Totally amazing article.

Why weren't you asleep? 

Posted Wednesday 5th November 2008 12:15 GMT

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Full respect for doing the job and doing it consciensiously, but I do have to wonder whether it was really wise of you to stay awake all night writing an ever-so slightly self-congratulatory account of what you've been doing on the eve of the actual election day, which you knew would be very hectic and hence would require all the energy you could muster to keep your wits about you in assisting as many people as possible to vote and vote properly.

Is an exhasted PEO who didn't sleep the night before really good for democracy? A harsh comment perhaps, but one with a point.

@Jon Smit 

Posted Wednesday 5th November 2008 15:04 GMT

"And there is still vote rigging on a massive scale in the largest democracy."

Although it's probably very interesting, I can't see what relevance the situation in India has to this article...

@ Anonymous Coward 

Posted Wednesday 5th November 2008 16:04 GMT

Flame

"WRONG!!!!! I do not even live in the US, but I know that most electronic voting machines DO not register vote for the president when you select straight party ticket. Thanks a lot for losing a vote for Obama, if Iowa uses one of those machines!"

For the love of CHRIST, if you are not from the US and don't know how anything works over here, then STFU instead of opening your mouth and showing your ignorance. Laws and procedures vary from state to state, and I trust Pete's knowledge of the system IN HIS STATE a hell of a lot more than yours. And next time, if you feel the need to make an uninformed statement, have the courage to put your name on it. People like you are a waste of oxygen.

Pete, thank you for the well written, informative article. I hope that you will write more in the future!

@Do Not Fold Spindle Mutilate 

Posted Wednesday 5th November 2008 21:32 GMT

In Hawaii, as long as the dead person's name has not yet shown up on the dead people list by election day, the absentee vote will count. In Obama's grandmother's case, she died on Sunday evening and by Tuesday morning her name was not yet included on the dead people list, so her absentee vote counts. The dead people list is pulled from a database maintained by the state coroner's office. It could easily have gone either way, but, for you conspiracy theorists who enjoy kicking around ridiculously irrelevant notions, it is entirely possible that the state coroner's office decided to withhold publication of Obama's grandmother's demise in the list until after the election so that her absentee ballot would count, to honor her wishes. It certainly made no difference to the outcome, and there is no regulation requiring publication to the list within any particular timeframe.

Great article, Pete.

@James Butler 

Posted Thursday 6th November 2008 16:58 GMT

Thanks for the well written reply. It makes a lots of sense that the dead people list can be slightly out of date.

Why Is It So Dramatic ? 

Posted Friday 7th November 2008 14:45 GMT

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I really admire that 200 year old Democracy, which has helped to crush the nasty European inventions of Fascism and Communism.

Yet, I can't help to be confused why voting is such a drama in America. Probably the number of voting officials needs to be increased. I guess about 0.5% of the population must be drafted for for a speedy manual counting of the votes and for authenticating voters etc. I guess Americans should realize that the government is not totally evil and that we the people must be part of this on election day. I am not calling for universal health care here. Just for bright and trained election officials.

A little bit of French character, so to speak :-)

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