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Only 32 pages 

Posted Thursday 16th October 2008 23:17 GMT

32 pages for a highly sophisticated weapon. I thought to myself this isn't the DOD I knew from long ago that used to producte 320 page manuals for using a shovel.

The link provided for the manual showed to be a manual on which manuals to refer to

Don't Ionize Me, Bro! 

Posted Thursday 16th October 2008 23:30 GMT

Keep safety on.

so teh first rule 

Posted Thursday 16th October 2008 23:32 GMT

Joke

Rule 1: Don't look down barrel to see if it's loaded.

If they use this in the Alps, do we then have Mountain DEW?

"terminate the beam at the end of its useful path." 

Posted Thursday 16th October 2008 23:42 GMT

Unhappy

So you don't accidentally carve a lascaux cave in an Iraqi hillside.

these exposures will become a part of the individual's occupational exposure record.

Note: jr. office so-and-so vaporized on this date. oopsie

I've heard of the rest, 

Posted Thursday 16th October 2008 23:54 GMT

Flame

but what the hell is a "atomic-scale and subatomic particle beam weapons"? Are they intending to put a particle accelerator on a plane? If so, what particles do they intend to fire? And why?

well if there's a manual, it must exist..... 

Posted Friday 17th October 2008 00:36 GMT

.... so we surrender to our (far more advanced than we previously thought) American overlords.

That saved a lot of nasty war now didn't it.

Guaranteed Safety 

Posted Friday 17th October 2008 02:26 GMT

Coat

The best safety mechanism is simply to get the enemy to wear red shirts. Then it doesn't matter how good the weapon is, it's only ever the guys in red shirts that die.

Skip the coat, just beam me up, Scotty.

Re: Aircraft Mounted Particle Accelrators.... 

Posted Friday 17th October 2008 03:16 GMT

Coat

There was a programme (I'm not sure if this was a U.S Navy or U.S Airforce Program) in the 1980's codenamed White Horse, which would have used 2 co-axial particle accelerators (1 accelerating Protons & the other Electrons) to essentally fire Hydrogen atoms, abeit at speeds close to light at a fast moving target... If they are intending to put such a device on a aircraft, then could it be a sucessor to the ABL (Airborne Laser) programme, due to enter service in the next few years...?

The original codename for said program, Sipapu, had to be changed after protests from the Native American community,as it meant Sacred Fire, in a Amerindian dialect...

Mine's a suit of Powered Armour, with the optional Particle Cannon on a shoulder mount...

They also want to develop space based missile defense 

Posted Friday 17th October 2008 03:33 GMT

Joke

http://www.space.com/spacenews/business_monday_040913.html

Will a tinfoil hat be of any practical use against a particle weapon fired from space? Or perhaps a carefully woven Kevlar undercoating to the tinfoil hat of this shape

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conical_straw_hat

for stray missile debris will be a necessary fashion accessory now that the safety manual for such a device is out.

It's wasn't that hard with conventional weapons 

Posted Friday 17th October 2008 04:00 GMT

The Air Force wishes to know effects due to troublesome "beam drifting" and "failure to achieve pointing accuracy."

Couldn't they just use another laser, for accuracy?

Re: Only 32 pages 

Posted Friday 17th October 2008 05:31 GMT

It's one of them natural bureaucracy laws - simple tools need longer instructions because they have to be detailed down to very basic operations. On the other hand a complex tool will have more logic built-in and therefore need only a few high-level hints to work. Thus, an infinitely complex tool would not need any instruction manual at all, while an infinitely long instruction manual will get the job done without any tool.

@MG 

Posted Friday 17th October 2008 05:46 GMT

Well, I for one welcome our laser-toting over... Oh - no, wait - no.... I don't.

"...potential fratricide." ????!!!! 

Posted Friday 17th October 2008 05:55 GMT

Happy

Wouldn't this be a bit of a problem for the US Army's band of brothers?

Hmmm, they must know more than we thought 

Posted Friday 17th October 2008 06:29 GMT

Or perhaps Walter Mitty is now at the helm of US defence. The most interesting bit is `terminating a ray at it's destination. Somebody is going to have to fire up Einstein and have a word about the propagation of an electromagnetic wave front, he'll have to rewrite it, unless there is a plan to provide the target with a mirror or some kind of death ray absorbing material. Otherwise people, houses, trees and large planets such as the earth can provide a useful backstop to such a beam.

At critical moments, necessity for exposure to DEWs presumably covers friendly fire, `oops sorry that was a critical moment and in my enthusiasm for wiping out the enemy, I have just vapourised several companies of allied combat troops and our President who was visiting them¨.

It is, however, good to know that the DOD ( short for doddery?) has put a great deal of thought into the safe operation of such things as DEWs, 32 pages Eh?

Warning label 

Posted Friday 17th October 2008 06:58 GMT

That warning label is hilarious! Please please please start selling some of those with sticky backs on peel-off rolls!

particle weapons 

Posted Friday 17th October 2008 07:02 GMT

Black Helicopters

when I worked at a rather large physics lab, making antimatter routinely, we *did* have a visit from besuited serious 'merkins. This is all many many years ago! The discussion was briefly about annihilation, and how many Pbars would fit in a bottle, and how big the bang would be. I think we convinced them that it would take many many many large physics labs in parallel, and a long time, and I certainly wouldn't want to be anywhere near the magnetic confinement bottle.

As for particle beams - they're a doddle when space based as an active denial system (OCS) counter satellite communication system - , the few times I did pass a 40MeV Proton beam through normal air, I reckon it got around an inch before interacting fully. A free space (air) neutron beam might get some metres. There's always laser plasma/paritcle hybrid beams I suppose; A neutrino beam could go rather further, but wouldn't be noticed!

The mil could always accelerate iron or gold or U238 nucleii, they do qualify as corpuscular matter, might need a hand-held wakefield linac?? which would still need almost as big a battery as the pbar mag confinement.

some 2009 (unspecified technology) 'things that go bang in space' funding info at http://www.js.pentagon.mil/descriptivesum/Y2009/AirForce/0604421F.pdf

Can I get that on a T-Shirt?? 

Posted Friday 17th October 2008 07:41 GMT

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That is a funny warning sign, wheres the cash'n'carrion version.

It's for everything 

Posted Friday 17th October 2008 07:51 GMT

Black Helicopters

It's likely a pretty fair summary of all the potential hazards, when you look at the list of weapons covered, and see it includes the non-lethal types. That infamous crowd-cooking microwave contraption could easily put Air Force personnel at risk, with all the potential for reflections, though I really hope the engineers checked for antenna side-lobes.

Any mention of unexpected black helicopters?

"terminate the beam at the end of its useful path." 

Posted Friday 17th October 2008 08:14 GMT

Boffin

Does that mean they intend to build light sabres?

What else could be meant by "terminating" a beam at the "end of its useful path"? Either it gets absorbed by the target, or it travels through the target. How do they want to "terminate" it??? Or did I miss something in physics class? (admittedly, it's been a while...)

(completely off topic: what happened to the additional icons that were promised a while ago?)

USAF 

Posted Friday 17th October 2008 08:26 GMT

Thumb Up

as a member of the USAF I assure you that compliance with every AFI is mandatory, believe me I know. And 32 pages for a death ray isn't bad considering the AFI that outlines how to wear our uniforms is about the same.

What a quality shopping list. 

Posted Friday 17th October 2008 08:38 GMT

Boffin

Milk, eggs, bread, tootthpaste, high-energy lasers, weaponized microwave and millimeter wave beams, explosive-driven electromagnetic pulse devices, acoustic weapons, laser induced plasma channel systems, non-lethal directed energy devices, atomic-scale and subatomic particle beam weapons, butter, frozen pizza and washing up liquid.

@Brent 

Posted Friday 17th October 2008 08:45 GMT

Boffin

"atomic-scale and subatomic particle beam weapons"?

LASERs, for one (A LASER beam is a bunch of photons of the same wavelength(/energy level, depending on how you look at it) travelling in the same direction).

I'm more interested in the 'LASER induced plasma channel systems'...

Is this channelling plasma created with a LASER, or using a LASER to channel plasma?

Hmmm... *ponders*

(LASER is an initialism, not an acronym)

The goggles!.... They do NOTHING!!!

From Sci-fi weapons to magic 

Posted Friday 17th October 2008 09:09 GMT

Coat

After all the best way to safely terminate a beam (at least for the intended recipient) is surely smoke and mirrors?

Even the humblest of Wizzards (sic) should be able to do a Paul Daniels on this.

The cloak thanks, with the top hat and cane. Yes that's the one thank you, mind the rabbit droppings.

They forgot the most important one... 

Posted Friday 17th October 2008 09:10 GMT

Boffin

Don't cross the streamers...

..that would be bad.

Don't make me laugh... 

Posted Friday 17th October 2008 09:21 GMT

The yanks can't even work out who to shoot at with conventional weapons - with or without an instruction manual.

Mind you, giving them lasers to play with should cause much more spectacular "regretable collateral damage" or blue-on-blue carnage.

@Simon 

Posted Friday 17th October 2008 09:24 GMT

LASER stands for "Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation".

Yup, that's an acronym.

Friendly fire 

Posted Friday 17th October 2008 10:55 GMT

Coat

Not so much blue on blue, as Blu-Ray on blue??

Flak jacket please!

As an example of the bleedin obvious this is a lulu 

Posted Friday 17th October 2008 11:24 GMT

Black Helicopters

Er; Yes. I think.

This is all very confusing 

Posted Friday 17th October 2008 11:44 GMT

Unhappy

Is a Millimetre wave's length is greater than a Microwave's?

Isn't a death beam terminated by terminating it's target?

Well, innit?

Warning Sign 

Posted Friday 17th October 2008 12:11 GMT

Boffin

I like how the warning sign says "death or vaporisation". Does that mean the Yanks have found a way of turning people into pure energy without killing them!?!

Foil 

Posted Friday 17th October 2008 12:13 GMT

Uniforms are now being made with a 'special' foil layer woven into the material.

Can't imagine why.

Death *OR* Vaporisation???? 

Posted Friday 17th October 2008 12:54 GMT

Stop

What kind of crappy raygun is this? Non-fatal vaporisation? I want my disintegrations to be fully lethal!!! And preferably extremely painful, dagnabbit!!!

Jeez, you just can't get the power-crazed mad scientists anymore.....

Re: Death *OR* Vaporisation???? 

Posted Friday 17th October 2008 13:35 GMT

(Written by Reg staff.)

Tea and cake or death or vaporisation. Doesn't have quite the same ring to it.

I disagree 

Posted Friday 17th October 2008 14:06 GMT

Stop

"After all, nothing is more embarrassing than leaving your phaser on kill."

According to General Turgidson, nothing is more embarrassing than leaving your phaser on tickle. Separation between professional and private duty, etc ..

"It also wisely instructs that there should be some way to "terminate the beam at the end of its useful path.""

Reasonable demand considering the annoying habit of targets to jump away when shot at (especially if Pfc Butterfinger forget to change from tickle ...). But beam termination can be awfully tricky once it's beyond the event horizon, so better call ahead.

Do not look directly at laser with remaining eye. 

Posted Friday 17th October 2008 15:25 GMT

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I rejoice at the thought of the armed enemies of my civilisation being on the receiving end of some cool technology. But fret that Al Quaeda might equip their operatives with disco-balls.

please, oh please 

Posted Friday 17th October 2008 15:34 GMT

Go

let this jumbo jet sized, toxic chemically powered, twenty tonne flying doom-ray have a small but immacuately presented black-on-yellow "Caution" sticker on it somewhere....

I have a feeling that one day we shall hear of these featuring in the Darwin Awards when someone decides that it'll be a good idea to carry out that expensive laser eye surgery on a budget..

Another warning sign 

Posted Friday 17th October 2008 15:40 GMT

Is anyone in the US military old enough to remember the "This machine kills fascists" label? If so, I suggest "This machine plays tunes - on the ionosphere".

Note to self... 

Posted Friday 17th October 2008 15:47 GMT

Flame

...be sure to decline any invites from USAF to weiney roasts!

Flame On!

particle beam weapons 

Posted Friday 17th October 2008 16:28 GMT

Happy

Just what you need for opening up a can of "black-hole" whoopass on somebody

God I can see it now 

Posted Friday 17th October 2008 21:30 GMT

Flame

First we have Pickup trucks with gun racks on the back window now we are going to have deathray racks. What happens when they energy pack for the gun overheats because of being used as a fuse?

Not to mention whos going to make the packs? SONY? Hell if thats the case why bother go into battle with the enemy just use the gun a bit till the pack ignites.

/Mines the asbestos one. Thanks.

i won't make any jokes about special school... 

Posted Friday 17th October 2008 21:47 GMT

Happy

"With great power (say, a weapons grade 100 kilowatt blaster cannon) comes great responsibility (a 32-page safety manual)."

I love that movie so much, and no one has ever heard of it.

"Think of the pussy, Weevil!"

Equation 

Posted Monday 20th October 2008 13:49 GMT

"failure to achieve pointing accuracy."=Aiming like an American.

warnings from GLaDOS 

Posted Tuesday 21st October 2008 11:07 GMT

The aperture science high energy pellet has been known to cause permanent physical disabilities such as vapourization.

Getting in the way... 

Posted Wednesday 22nd October 2008 15:26 GMT

It takes a fair bit of bad timing to step in the way during the firing of a projectile / rocket / bullet, but these beam weapons need to be trained on the target for several seconds to get the desired effect. I'm just imagining a plane flying through the beam having it's wing nicely softened enough to cause it to snap off.

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