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Maybe a charity T-Shirt? 

Posted Wednesday 10th September 2008 10:41 GMT

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Maybe you nice chapsters at El Reg should sell a special Bletchley Park T-Shirt with all proceeds going to help fund the place? Maybe one of your "famous" design a shirt competitions would fit the bill?

About time 

Posted Wednesday 10th September 2008 10:46 GMT

We can expect Colossus Service Pack 1 any time now.

Lottery funding 

Posted Wednesday 10th September 2008 10:49 GMT

Gates Halo

Surely Bletchley Park is a deserving recipient for Lottery dosh.

And where is Saint Billg when he's needed?

Confusing donations 

Posted Wednesday 10th September 2008 10:57 GMT

The slightly confusing thing about their donation form is the option of "No donation". Puzzling.

Good cause, though. El Reg should hold a roadshow there or some such.

Maybe IBM feel guilty 

Posted Wednesday 10th September 2008 10:59 GMT

seeing as they created the machines that help catalogue the removal of jews from germany!!!

I want to go, but looking at the pictures they still live in the 1940's.. why wasnt the building updated in anyway to make it look more like a museum, it looks like a school computer room from th 1990's.

Looks like there is already a T shirt 

Posted Wednesday 10th September 2008 11:09 GMT

http://www.pgp.com/stationx/

Second the T-Shirt idea and 

Posted Wednesday 10th September 2008 11:10 GMT

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propose you sell us some books too. Crypto-related stuff seems appropriate.

I'm going to buy those anyway, might as well give the money to a museum instead of Amazon.

T-shirts indeed 

Posted Wednesday 10th September 2008 11:12 GMT

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"Bletchley to Bury: UK govt spying on communications since time immemorial"

@thefutureboy 

Posted Wednesday 10th September 2008 11:19 GMT

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I think he's right - how about 'El Reg cracked it for Bletchley'?

You've got all the infrastructure in place, and readers who can produce slogans and designs if necessary - you just need to decide (and tell us) how much of your margin (like ALL) would go to Bletchley.

Go on - do the right thing!

Station X T-shirt 

Posted Wednesday 10th September 2008 11:20 GMT

Joke

Maybe Colossus looking down at Eniac saying "Hey kid ..."

Charity Shirt 

Posted Wednesday 10th September 2008 11:25 GMT

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How about "My cryptographer went to Bletchley Park and all I got was a computing industry and a Europe free of fascist tyranny."

Such a shame 

Posted Wednesday 10th September 2008 11:25 GMT

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It's heartbreaking to see something like this get to this stage. Surely some large IT Corporations care about this and would like the publicity? Google? Microsoft? Where would you guys be without the IT industry? Get your hands in your pockets. As a side note, it's great to see the UK Government pissing money away on shite we don't want or need when they could take this over and fund it. Gotta love the UK's priorities.

Pedant mode 

Posted Wednesday 10th September 2008 11:35 GMT

" the Colossus computer, which “helped the war effort to a very significant level,” by playing a crucial role in cracking the German’s Enigma code."

Almost. This is the common misconception. But Colossus was not engaged in breaking Enigma. Enigma was broken using simple non-programmable electro-mechanical devices (the bombes), the design of which was begun by the Poles and perfected at Blechley Park. It was only in June 2000 that the information about Colossus was declassified. Something which is largely responsible for the misunderstanding about its role.

Colossus, (or rather the colossi, since 11 were built) were used to break the much more difficult code used by the German high command, which was named Tunny by the British. Colossus came on stream late in the war, and much of the well know successes of Bletchley Park were not due to Colossus. However Colossus was ready and working at full capacity for D-Day - and played a critical role in the counter attack.

The role of Colossus, and the breaking of the high command code was secret for decades after. Some colossi were taken from Bletchley Park, never to be seen again, but in use until 1960. The remainder were destroyed. Somewhere in the grounds is a pit containing the burnt out and smashed frames of all the remaining machines.

The brilliance of the Colossus designers, especially the visionary Thommy Flowers remains grossly under appreciated.

T-shirt 

Posted Wednesday 10th September 2008 11:40 GMT

Seconded. I would certainly buy a couple.

I went to Bletchley Park last year and had a great time, though I was shocked at the state of disrepair it had been allowed to fall into. Both the Station X and Museum of Computing are struggling for money but both are well worth a visit.

At the very least, Reg readers, take a trip to BP this weekend and pay for a ticket. Your ticket is valid for as many visits as you like for a whole year!

That computer you're sat at now? That server that pages you at oh-dark hundred to tell you it's disks are about to give way? The sweet gaming rig you have at home? Remember: It Came From Station X!

*rattles the tin*

Colossus != Enigma 

Posted Wednesday 10th September 2008 11:44 GMT

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Sigh - Colossus was never used to crack enigma. That was the job of the electro-mechanical Bombes. Colossus was used to crack Lorentz - a stream cypher used to secure communications between various headquarters (as opposed to Enigma, which was to/from local troops/U-boats etc to headquarters.)

Meanwhile... 

Posted Wednesday 10th September 2008 11:46 GMT

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National Lottery money is spent on making films about gay cowboys eating pudding.

@Maybe a charity T-Shirt 

Posted Wednesday 10th September 2008 11:53 GMT

How about a picture of a crumbling hut, with the caption:

"My results went to help the country survive, and all I got was this lousy woodworm"

T-Shirt 

Posted Wednesday 10th September 2008 12:00 GMT

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I know there's a T-Shirt available for donations of £50 or more here:

http://www.pgp.com/stationx/resources.html

However, as an IT worker £50 is still a fair chunk of cash, so I'd be happy to consider a more pocket-friendly (and entertaining!) piece of apparel.

As for design suggestions, I don't think I can beat MrWeeble's!

TC

Colossus 

Posted Wednesday 10th September 2008 12:02 GMT

"..He also outlined the importance played by the Colossus computer, which “helped the war effort to a very significant level,” by playing a crucial role in cracking the German’s Enigma code..."

I thought that the Colossus only worked on the lorenz code? Rather it was the Bombs that were used to crack the Enigma code.

Suggestion 

Posted Wednesday 10th September 2008 12:09 GMT

Couldn't Rainham Sheds help?

Assuming of course they will still have something to display, after Sisvel sues them next week...

@MrWeeble 

Posted Wednesday 10th September 2008 12:14 GMT

I'd buy it!

All help short of aid 

Posted Wednesday 10th September 2008 12:16 GMT

IT Angle

If the buildings are listed its shameful that gov. have done nothing to maintain them. IT types to the rescue! Perhaps some sort of viral funding is in order.

Tried to donate, they don't make it easy 

Posted Wednesday 10th September 2008 12:31 GMT

Unhappy

Clicked on the donations link and tried to drop them a fiver using PayPal.

Surprised they forced me to register on their site and share my details before I could make a payment.

@MrWeeble 

Posted Wednesday 10th September 2008 12:36 GMT

Coat

I'd buy one too.

Espacially if it had the same slogan on the back, but translated into German & Italian :-)

We know BillG refused to contribute, what about SteveJ, has anyone approached Apple?

RE: T-Shirt 

Posted Wednesday 10th September 2008 12:43 GMT

Joke

"I went to Bletchley Park last year and had a great time, though I was shocked at the state of disrepair it had been allowed to fall into. Both the Station X and Museum of Computing are struggling for money but both are well worth a visit."

I thought for a moment this was your suggestion for a design in the vein of My mate went to XXX and all I got was this bloody T-Shirt :-)

Re: Maybe a charity T-Shirt? 

Posted Wednesday 10th September 2008 12:53 GMT

(Written by Reg staff.)

Well, I have heard rumours about Cash'n'Carrion shirts with dosh going to Bletchley and the National Museum of Computing, so keep 'em peeled, innit.

@Neil Greatorex 

Posted Wednesday 10th September 2008 13:50 GMT

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Great idea having the slogan on the back but i'd prefer mine in 8bit binary

Slogan 

Posted Wednesday 10th September 2008 14:37 GMT

"but i'd prefer mine in 8bit"

5 bit TTY code would be better. A paper tape rendition even more so.

T-Shirt 

Posted Wednesday 10th September 2008 16:00 GMT

And how about having that T-Shirt worn by one of the bods in The IT Crowd

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08/13/itcrowd_series_three/

flexowriter paper tape 

Posted Wednesday 10th September 2008 16:57 GMT

IMHO punched tape or h-card format would look "olde-worldy"

even though they are both quite modern.

With the geek points that only beardy sandal types would grok 'em.

Jacqui

Banners and Buttons 

Posted Wednesday 10th September 2008 20:35 GMT

Has anyone...hint hint..nudge..nudge..El Reg, produced a button/banner for websites to promote this worth cause?

Shirts 

Posted Wednesday 10th September 2008 21:32 GMT

Yes. Shirts are a good idea. Do it now.

I have spoken.

E-commerce donations 

Posted Thursday 11th September 2008 02:06 GMT

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Any Company that makes a living (or made a killing) from selling goods online should make a substantial donation. It is the encryption / code breaking work done at Bletchley Park that enables you to securely make transactions online today. Ebay, Amazon, Pay Pal…. I’m looking at you. Once it’s fixed hold an annual hacker / security convention there.

How about an unofficial El Reg Readership whipround.... 

Posted Thursday 11th September 2008 03:38 GMT

A couple of quid each to a paypal account with no personal details...to be then donated to Bletchley Park as a gesture from the unwashed masses that read this fine organ......

New icon required.... 

Posted Thursday 11th September 2008 10:04 GMT

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Save Bletchly Park!!

My t-shirt Take 

Posted Thursday 11th September 2008 10:28 GMT

I went to Bletchley Park and all I got was this lousy t-shirt shaped like Sarah Bee.

@Neil Greatorex 

Posted Thursday 11th September 2008 11:11 GMT

AFAIK, the Apple logo is in homage to Alan Turing

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