By Nathan HobbsPosted Monday 7th July 2008 17:03 GMT
His only mistake was not to wire the money to a swiss bank account and have someone immediately withdraw it as cash.
He could have got away with it if he'd put a little more though into it.
Move the money to a *swiss* bank account. Transfer funds from other accounts into the source account. Transfer money from other accounts into those. Meanwhile have someone withdraw the money as cash in switzerland, pop in the banks nearby and re-deposit random amounts into a dozen newly opened swiss bank accounts, then transfer the money from there to the cayman islands.
Eventually someone would work out what had happened, but by the time they did you'll be in the cayman islands earning 5% a year, and the cash withdrawl and random deposits will make tracking you down impossible.
As it is it was, it wasn't some "an audacious electronic heist" it was just some moron using stolen login IDs and password to transfer some money to his own account thinking no-one would notice. Muppet.
By Anonymous CowardPosted Monday 7th July 2008 19:45 GMT
Yes Nathan, it's that easy to steal 72million pounds from a bank. They never notice. And they don't help each other look out for fraud on that scale. Clever you.
By Chris MillerPosted Monday 7th July 2008 19:50 GMT
The 'security' of many (?most) banks' money transfer systems depends on no-one knowing two or three username/password combinations which are often: (a) insufficiently complex; (b) rarely changed; (c) regularly shared; or (d) all three. Can you say 'Société Générale'?
I'd bet that for every unsuccessful example of these 'heists' that's made public, there are numerous 'successes' that are quietly hushed up.
PS Channa was definitely 'Mr Bean' and not 'Freebie and the Bean'.
By Anonymous CowardPosted Monday 7th July 2008 20:59 GMT
He got caught out so quickly because of the bleeding obvious... for god's sake man, even shoplifters know that you don't 'work' in front of CCTV cameras.. for 72m perhaps you could have at least tried to bloody plan it properly in the first place?
My thoughts float to Richard Pryor turning up to work in a lambo...
What a muppet. At least, the concept of Karma and the world balancing itself out is working well... through his own stupidity, said stupidity has been removed from useful society.
Do not pass go. Do not collect 72m. Now pick up that soap...
He looked like he withdrew money from ONE account. Silly banker--in for seven and a half years. (Yes, I counted.)
If I was in position, I'd do a driftnet scheme over savings accounts. Do the math, and you'll find that you'll get a less than a cent past the first .00$. Now multiply that extra fragmentary change by, let's say, 10,000 accounts. You'll get a value at hundreds, but done over a sucession of months... that also adds up.
The question remains is how to funnel that fragmentary change into someplace secure.
By night trollPosted Tuesday 8th July 2008 04:36 GMT
And that he left a huge negative balance on the account he transfered out of. Did he not think it would be noticed straight away by the bank, let alone the owner of the account? What a prat.
The group could have used it as gearing for spread betting, that way £72m becomes about £2 Billion, shorting some stocks for a 10% return over 24 hours.
By Anonymous CowardPosted Tuesday 8th July 2008 09:30 GMT
AFAIK the IT procedures have been in place for years to detect any attempt at harvesting the leftovers part pennies. These are collected by the bankers themselves.
By Anonymous CowardPosted Tuesday 8th July 2008 15:09 GMT
All these silly ideas... The best way by far to steal money is to *be* a bank. You get to rinse all your customers for even smelling like they might go overdrawn, and quietly bung backhanders at those who kick up a fuss so it doesn't all end up pear shaped. If the house of cards does fall down around your ears, and you look like getting into financial trouble, along comes Gov.org to bail you out, all the senior employees go off to other cash-cows with big, fat Golden handshakes in their sky-rockets, and you and I are left holding the bill...
I mean come on guys, Stealing money from these archaic systems is stupendously easy when you have the access and knowhow (that chap recently who lost a stupendous amount of money and the bank threw him to the wolves, you don't think he didn't make both himself and most particularly the bank a SHITLOAD of money first, do you?), but vastly easier to do so legally and legitimately...
By Anonymous CowardPosted Tuesday 8th July 2008 16:15 GMT
Dear Sir,
You may soon have read or seen on TV that £70m failed to be stealed from HSBC. They are informed wrong. £170m was stealed. £100m is in account here in Nigeria and we need help of honest man like you......
By Nathan HobbsPosted Tuesday 8th July 2008 18:31 GMT
Yes, clearly the missing money would be noticed the following business day.
Of course, since switzerland is 1 hour ahead, a quick evening flight to Zurich gives you time for a good night sleep before you get up bright and breezy and withdraw the cash as the bank opens, a good hour before UK banks start trading.
By the time people come in the next day and actually realise what happened, you'de be long gone with the money. If you've transfered money round a few times to fill the gap where you originally took the money from, it will take a few hours to follow the money and work out that something has actually been stolen, rather than a mistake or legitimate transaction.
As for the sentence, we have sentencing laws in the UK, which quite amazingly, rather than rating the seriousness of the theft based on how you did it, base the sentence on how much you were trying to steal. So someone walking into a bank full of customer with a machine gun will get less time than someone who transfers £1m to his own account fraudulently.
By Anonymous CowardPosted Tuesday 15th July 2008 13:52 GMT
To prove to auditors how cr@p the new IT systems was, I swiped $15million over night.
Auditors response - ah,well. You're an inside man. That wouldn't happen. And if it did, we check your own bank account for 'activities' and we'd get you that way.
Dumb f^cks - I'd put the money in a mates bank account he opened that morning and make sure he telexed it away the following day.
And for those wondering, I did it on a test system, not our live one.
But it's good to see people are still doing it :-0
Coat - yep, the one with tickets and suntan lotion in it....
Comments on: Inside man in failed £72m electronic heist jailed
Mr Bean? #
By Andy Barber Posted Monday 7th July 2008 16:20 GMT
His only mistake #
By Nathan Hobbs Posted Monday 7th July 2008 17:03 GMT
@Nathan #
By Anonymous Coward Posted Monday 7th July 2008 19:45 GMT
No surprise #
By Chris Miller Posted Monday 7th July 2008 19:50 GMT
Muppet #
By Anonymous Coward Posted Monday 7th July 2008 20:59 GMT
Pffth. #
By Pyros Posted Monday 7th July 2008 21:35 GMT
Richard Pryor? #
By Carl Posted Monday 7th July 2008 21:47 GMT
@ Anonymous Coward #
By Nathan Hobbs Posted Tuesday 8th July 2008 01:39 GMT
@ Nathan Hobbs #
By night troll Posted Tuesday 8th July 2008 04:36 GMT
Not Theft #
By peter Posted Tuesday 8th July 2008 04:51 GMT
As a HSBC customer... #
By Steve Posted Tuesday 8th July 2008 08:23 GMT
They have it covered already. #
By Anonymous Coward Posted Tuesday 8th July 2008 09:30 GMT
If he'd only listened to the wise words . #
By Adam H Posted Tuesday 8th July 2008 10:15 GMT
Worth a shot #
By Luke Posted Tuesday 8th July 2008 10:16 GMT
Haha #
By HFoster Posted Tuesday 8th July 2008 10:59 GMT
No #
By Anonymous Coward Posted Tuesday 8th July 2008 13:05 GMT
90 Months !? #
By Anonymous Hero Posted Tuesday 8th July 2008 14:42 GMT
*sigh* #
By Anonymous Coward Posted Tuesday 8th July 2008 15:09 GMT
Coming to a screen near you soon #
By Anonymous Coward Posted Tuesday 8th July 2008 16:15 GMT
@Night Troll #
By Nathan Hobbs Posted Tuesday 8th July 2008 18:31 GMT
Did this in the mid-80's #
By Anonymous Coward Posted Tuesday 15th July 2008 13:52 GMT