Do you know how much of your porn is extreme?
If you've got the time, ask a policeman
Updated It seems likely that the government thought that passing a new law on extreme porn would be the last word on the matter. Recent events in Birmingham suggest that this may not quite be the case.
Restrictions on the possession of material deemed to be “extreme” and “pornographic” were introduced in the Criminal Justice Bill in May. A letter from the Ministry of Justice to Backlash, the umbrella group uniting opposition to these measures, suggests that the current plan is for these measures to have their “commencement date” in January 2009.
According to Stephen Ruddell of the Criminal Law Policy Unit, “the time before implementation will give people an opportunity to consider what images they possess. Similar circumstances arose when the age of the child – in respect of possession of indecent photographs of children – was raised from under 16 to under 18 in the Sexual Offences Act 2003. This change in the law meant that people had to consider and, if necessary, delete or destroy material which until then had been legal to possess.”
In other words: get it wrong, and face the possibility of jail and a criminal record.
On Sunday 14 June a delegation of people from the Consenting Adult Action Network (C.A.A.N.) went to West Midlands police headquarters in Birmingham to seek advice about just what material might be covered.
A spokesperson for this group explained that they took with them a range of works, representing both fantasy and real acts of harm or danger by various photographers, both professional and amateur. Their portfolio included work by noted erotic artists China Hamilton and Bob Flanagan.
After an initial mix-up with staff at the front desk – who understood the group to be complaining about pornography, rather than seeking advice – officers presented the material to the CID.
Despite praising CAAN for its “mature and adult approach” to seeking advice on this matter, the police were unable to provide much help. They were unaware of imminent changes to the law in this area – despite the fact that West Midlands Police had contributed to the government consultation on this issue, and argued strongly for even tougher sentences than have been passed into law.
They believed that the images did not contravene the Obscene Publications Act. Therefore, if government assurances that the new law criminalised nothing that was not already illegal to publish, those attending the demonstration should be safe.
Re: Letter from a Lord
"Surely this means things have changed?"
Sadly not - the amendment made was very narrow. The defence for consensual acts only applies for those who "directly participated in the act". So a pic of yourself might be legal for you to possess, but as soon as you pass it to somneone else (even say privately to your girlfriend), it's illegal for them to possess. It's not even clear if the photographer can possess the photo, since they did not "directly participate in the act"!
Also the defence only applies to images the Government thinks we're allowed to consent to - and since acts which result in harm more than "transient or trifling" are still illegal to consent to (see Operation Spanner), the defence won't apply to these, so it is useless for actual acts between consenting adults.
So whilst the defence may help some people, it will still be illegal to possess images of consenting adults (including screenshots from legal films, which are obviously known to be consensual), and in some cases, it will still be illegal to posses images of yourself in these acts.
See http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2008/ukpga_20080004_en_9#pt5-pb1-l1g66 for the actual wording.
@@Child Images & Manga. - Yes Manga is a trading company but it is also the traditional name for local comic books in Japan.
On that note
I'd refer people to my previous brief definitions of adult manga/hentai it is a wide and inclusive area spanning male/male (yaoi)
pervy fun (ecchi),
delicious flat chest (somewhere between ero/yuri and loli),
Moe (ultra cute dresses and feelings of love, flat chest is commons, but no pronz), Moe Pronz (Moe with pronz),
Lolicon (goes from flat chest teens too babies although most of your "mainstream" stuff is 9 to 13 kind of effeminet but not quite - think twiggy lol - also not always pronz - Nanoha/Shana/Louise can all be dumped in the loli catagory but they're more Moe then loli),
Shouta (loli with boys),
goru (errr people being perferated by massive shlongs, chainsaws, decaptiation, people being turned into bags of goo whilst being mongled),
milk udders(birds with boobs the size of CRT monitors),
errr futa (d!ck girls),
You can have combinations, alot of the stuff is based on other legit shows but theres origonal content in there too.
Goes from art house to pure fap bate.
And that's just the manga pron genres I can think of. Then theres the non porn, and the stuff that if you took it out of context could be porn.
I remember Chobits being mentioned earlier (strong Moe anime) the main female is an android who has only just reawoken, and as such has a new born personality, so technically would be like 6 months at the end of the manga. Although that one is alot about love beyond the purely physical, becouse unlike many androids Chi (the main girl) has her reset switch where one would place your member if you wanted to get it on with her.
You have a Manga like Battle Royale, where one of the main girls was abused as a child and is increadibly promiscuous (but also a sociapath) that manga has alot of violence and sex. Teens with only 3 days to live with a mission to be the last boy/girl standing... Interesting story.
Theres a manga I'm reading at the moment about a boy(15) who is a cross dresser being caught in a love triangle between his child hood best friend (13) and a girl(15) in his class. An interesting story with compelling characters and interesting interplay as the boy alternates from performing in his girl and boy personas.
That's three manga that I'm sure could fall foul of any extension of indecent image law to cover drawings.
It's a bad law. Pure and simple. I hope you've enjoyed the pronz round up.
It is infact even worse then the extreme porn law, which is the worse law about at the moment.
Letter from a Lord
I wrote to a few lords regarding the new law and received a letter this morning from Lord Janvrin.
"Thank you very much for your letter of 28 April regarding the pornography clauses in the Criminal Justice & Immigration Bill. There was confusion over the definition of extreme pornography and the government amended to accommodate consensual behaviour was welcomed in the House.
I was grateful to receive your views.
Surely this means things have changed?