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Ingres originator Jerry Held has become the latest database big gun to take aim at traditional database management systems (DBMS), saying they are unsuited to cloud computing.

A former senior Oracle vice president, now chairman of Vertica promoting a database it claims is - guess what - suited to cloud computing, Held has blogged that the infrastructure of cloud computing is so different to traditional computing that established DBMS will not be able to cope.

Held has listed five basic criteria for a successful DBMS running in a cloud infrastructure. These include high availability and performance, standards-based connectivity, "aggressive" compression and a "shared nothing massively parallel processing (MPP) architecture."

"There are no high-end servers with dozens of CPU cores, SANs, replicated systems, or proprietary data warehousing appliances available in the cloud. Therefore, a new DBMS software architecture is required to enable large volumes of data to be analyzed quickly and reliably on the cloud's commodity hardware," Held wrote.

Held joins fellow Ingres alumni and Vertica co-founder and chief technology officer Michael Stonebraker in critiquing DBMS. Stonebraker recently wrote DBMS is 20 years out of date and in need of a radical rewrite. He was even handed in his criticism, and laid into Google's MapReduce, which he called "sub optimal" compared to DBMS for processing large unstructured databases.

The past year has certainly seen a plethora of DBMS products aimed at different levels of cloud computing users. These range from enterprise products such as Google's BigTable, EnterpriseDB, Microsoft's SQL Server Data Services and Sun Microsystems' MySQL to more humble small-business products such as Google's Googlebase and Amazon's SimpleDB. ®

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Sounds like Teradata

This statement is right out of the Teradata database architecture.

a "shared nothing massively parallel processing (MPP) architecture."

So it is something new? I don't think so. It is good to see at least someone addressing what the Teradata database has used for over 20 years.

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Just remember

When *you* are in the cloud, its no longer a cloud, its just fog.

Sounds like a great place to do some computing.

Mines the slicker with the hood.

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Idol Chatter of Global Operating Devices..

"And what about latency, and systems management, is this really a better way of doing things or just, yet another industry fashion that's designed to serve one particular segment of the IT industry." .... By Anonymous Coward Posted Tuesday 10th June 2008 11:27 GMT

The Cloud is a Real Time, Dynamic Future Environment, AC, and there is no Latency for everything is Current. Although Future Facts can be Stored to Memory/Cache and passed Back down through Communications Networks so that All can Benefit from the Knowledge of what is In Store/the Future InfraStructure Being Built even as we Speak/Chat/Code..

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