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Comments on: DISH Network awarded $1,050 in NDS card crack case

How long would the prison setence be for a real person? 

Posted Tuesday 20th May 2008 18:59 GMT

Pirate

If the card had been cracked by a private individual, then they would probably be doing prison time.

How valuable does a company need to be before its staff are exempt from criminal prosecution?

The way it is… 

Posted Tuesday 20th May 2008 19:28 GMT

Boffin

The way NDS treated DISH is exactly what they face themselves every day. Stakes are high and what they did should be considered quite modest, compared to simplier things like tech thieft or spying on competitor.

BTW, NDS may as well be called Israel, Jerusalem based esp. if talking about their security part of business.

Latest chapter in a long story 

Posted Tuesday 20th May 2008 19:54 GMT

There was the murky business around CANAL+ .....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2002/mar/17/theobserver.observerbusiness9

.... but their case was dropped...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/2306053.stm

Of course, the big snag with NDS getting their system used by so many broadcasters is that Videoguard has now become more attractive to the chaps in Eastern Europe (where they are only afraid of Putin, and not Rupert).

How long would the prison setence be for a real person? 

Posted Tuesday 20th May 2008 21:31 GMT

It's about four years....

In April 1998 the recently departed Chris Cary (he was sincerely a wonderful chap!) was sentenced to four years in jail for his part in cracking Sky's (by NDS, I believe) encryption.

Little difference if you consider that he cracked it for an advantage -

I suppose hackers on the payroll of a big encryption company does not 'prove' they were doing anything sinister to gain their employer a competitive advantage? Perish the thought!

Digger.

C'mon! 

Posted Wednesday 21st May 2008 04:53 GMT

Alert

My old mate Rupe' wouldn't be up to anything dodgy!!

USFL 

Posted Wednesday 21st May 2008 07:07 GMT

Reminded me of USFL vs NFL.

$3 Ha! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usfl#USFL_v._NFL

@PushF12 & Rsh 

Posted Wednesday 21st May 2008 08:20 GMT

Pirate

I believe the true answer is zero. According to the DMCA (http://www.copyright.gov/legislation/dmca.pdf):

"3. Encryption research (section 1201(g)). An exception for encryption research permits circumvention of access control measures, and the development of the technological means to do so, in order to identify flaws and vulnerabilities of encryption technologies."

Hacking isn't against the law; using the hack to 'steal' pay TV (or any other) service is.

How Long for a Real Person? 

Posted Thursday 22nd May 2008 03:55 GMT

Thumb Up

My childhood best friend Jeff Carr, who died this past August just a week past his 42nd birthday, did 40 months in a Federal Pen for his involvment in hacking the Video Cypher II (VC2) system on the big C-band dish systems in the mid to late 1990's.

Not sure if any of you remember Jeff, but he told me all about this deal with NDS and how they got the competition's (DISH) card hacked and then released it to cause them trouble and make NDS look good in comparison.

So the previous comment on an individual getting about 4 years for Video hacking is right on the money.

NDS just got a F***ing slap on the wrist for this.

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