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Comments on: Pitcairn Island relays most spam per person

Sophostry 

Posted Tuesday 11th March 2008 13:20 GMT

The press release (http://www.sophos.com/pressoffice/news/articles/2008/03/pitcairn.html) is titled "Pitcairn Islands relays most spam per person, reveals Sophos" and includes the following statement...

"Just because your PC is located on a remote island in the South Pacific doesn't mean it's not contributing to the global spam problem."

If Sophos don't realise that these servers are nothing to do with the people of Pitcairn, then they are "technically ill-qualified" to comment on IT matters. If they do know that, then they are just slandering a small community in order to draw attention to themselves, and "morally ill-suited" to comment on anything. Take your pick.

SETI 

Posted Tuesday 11th March 2008 13:22 GMT

They used to be top of the SETI@Home work units per person league too.

Not looked recently though.

Libel...slander is spoken... 

Posted Tuesday 11th March 2008 13:39 GMT

Joke

@ken.

Either you didn't realise the difference between libel and slander and, as such, are clueless about the law and "technically ill-qualified" to make your comments or you were just falsely accusing a small company to draw attention to yourself and thus "morally ill-suited" to comment on anything.

Keep your pick.

Specifics! 

Posted Tuesday 11th March 2008 14:04 GMT

Isn't it about time the producers of these reports actually came out and said which hosts these spam messages came from?

Sending the data on an IP block basis to the block owners (as listed in RIPE, ARIN, etc.) with notification that the information would be made public if the volume hadn't decreased by the next time the reports were prepared might be enough to persuade responsible ISPs to make some effort to clean house.

I wonder... 

Posted Tuesday 11th March 2008 14:10 GMT

why google, yahoo and hotmail... ok so maybe not hotmail, but certainly google and yahoo don't use spamassassin on email going OUT as well as email coming in!

That'll kill off most of that webmail based spam I recon

Meaningless 

Posted Tuesday 11th March 2008 14:21 GMT

In the same order, population (2007) is:

64

1492

1449

13677

48700

32671

66163

2913

71822

100018

So a couple of zombie machines in each domain, divided by the population, basically explains this table (except for the Faroes, which apparently only had one zombie).

Estimated population of 48 

Posted Tuesday 11th March 2008 15:26 GMT

Coat

Why only estimated?

Surely a population of 48 could be verified? Or do they move around too quickly on the island to be able to count them all?

"Excuse me, oh mighty spam proliferating nation: could you please all stand still for 5 minutes so we can do a head count..."

Mine's the one on peg number 49, as I'm only here on a day-trip

Bad TLD management 

Posted Tuesday 11th March 2008 16:19 GMT

Don't forget that many (most?) of these entities have outsourced management of their TLD to domain-sharks, some with a shady past (and present) with regards to spam.

Re: Ken Hagan 

Posted Tuesday 11th March 2008 17:08 GMT

Given that Pitcairn Island is mainly known for its former toleration of sexual abuse of young girls, I would imagine that they'd jump at the chance to be known as spam capital of the world instead.

Blogspot heavily used too 

Posted Tuesday 11th March 2008 18:41 GMT

Flame

19 of the last 20 spams here have been advertising a landing page on blogspot.com, which is clearly bot-created.

It's so bad that I have instituted a SpamAssassin rule to trash any email containing the string "blogspot.com"

Obviously, the spammers are using the same the bots to generate new landing pages on blogspot.com while the operators of blogspot.com have done nothing to make that more difficult.

@ Mike 

Posted Tuesday 11th March 2008 18:42 GMT

Mike asked: "... do they move around too quickly on the island to be able to count them all?"

Nah, mate - they're too busy shagging their kids. See inter alia:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3950033.stm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/10/13/wpit13.xml

@Michael 

Posted Tuesday 11th March 2008 18:44 GMT

Either you don't know the difference between a joke alert and.... oh, screw it.

Appropriate action ? 

Posted Tuesday 11th March 2008 18:46 GMT

Whilst these open relay servers may not be under direct control of the locals, they are definitely someones responsibilty. So in the meantime cut the *****s off from the internet at large until the miscreant responsible shows their miserable face.

.....Then execute the b*st*rds.

A pity 

Posted Tuesday 11th March 2008 19:25 GMT

Alien

A pity since they don't sort by server origin specific because the last time I checked the bulk of the feeding tubes were US based still , but as time goes on the rest of the world is starting to shift outside that sphere of influence and the changes in the past five years have been very dramatic indeed !

Lies, damn lies, and statistics 

Posted Tuesday 11th March 2008 19:47 GMT

Stop

Sophos must have stumbled this tidbit:

http://www.ibiblio.org/rdu/a-liestt.html

If ever there was a meaningless measurement, Sophos found it.

Surely a better measurement 

Posted Tuesday 11th March 2008 22:50 GMT

Thumb Down

Would be not per capita but per computer user or per broadband connection!

I kinda doubt that Toklau or Nuie are really king pin nations of spam...

I'm sorry... 

Posted Tuesday 11th March 2008 23:07 GMT

Paris Hilton

But that was a really stupid and useless display of statistical over analysis. I mean if they're going to play that game, why not correlate the number of people with 4 toes on each foot vs. the number of spam that comes out of the ISP's they're being served by, for a more realistic representation?

Maybe the number of people with one buttock or Paris Hilton?

Based on the same logic behind those calculations, 30 people world wide and Ms. Hilton are statistically the largest contributors to the spam problem.

@Andy Enderby 

Posted Wednesday 12th March 2008 03:00 GMT

Pirate

Ah, great minds think alike! I've posted both here and in other forums several times now that until we start PUBLICLY EXECUTING the bottom-feeding filth behind this activity, the problem is only going to get worse, until the Internet simply becomes unusable and a great opportunity for humanity to achieve its full potential irretrievably lost. The extraordinary rendition and public hanging of a botnet herder broadcast worldwide live on CNN and pasted all over the likes of YouTube will send a strong message to these criminals that their attacks on humanity's greatest asset will not be tolerated, and that no matter where you live, you won't escape.

Perhaps if our pollies and courts are too gutless maybe some kind vigilante-hacker groups might like to carry the banner!

Ch-klick... HOCK! OOOOORRRRAAAAAYYYY!

hooray for automated mass mailing 

Posted Wednesday 12th March 2008 08:38 GMT

We are currently installing a large ERP system (SAP)

One of the consultants was going through the CRM activities and pointed out one of the really great features - you can set up automated mass mailing to send out marketing information.

At this point I made the comment "not on my system!" and we then had a major discussion on why it wasn't really spam, but actually a really useful marketing tool that has nothing to do with spam whatsover.

During the discussion the CEO said that he felt that targeted emails would be fine as people wouldn't mind getting those; but in the next breath said that he hated getting all the junk mail that he receives at home because his kids have signed up to all sorts of dodgy web sites...

The decision was made that marketing are actually going to use this feature - I pointed out that if the get it wrong, we will then have a lot of people blocking our email addresses. The conversation then moved on to how we would be able to change the outgoing address to use a different one so that the recipients don't block our real address!!!!

Can we have an "Alice through the looking glass" icon please?

Targeted trojans... 

Posted Wednesday 12th March 2008 08:54 GMT

<quote>

One particular attack last month involved up to 900 targeted Trojans, primarily directed towards senior business executives worldwide, that made use of multiple attack vectors including drive by downloads from compromised websites. These attacks are often based on prior intelligence gathered about their targets, MessageLabs notes

</quote>

Prior intelligence, gathered by whom and how? I wonder.

What a relief! 

Posted Wednesday 12th March 2008 10:38 GMT

Thumb Down

So the spam problem can be solved by nuking a few remote, guano-spattered rocks, rather than the expensive and embarrassing alternative of stopping bloated corporate monopolies forcing overpriced, buggy and insecure operating systems onto the computers of people who are mostly too stupid to own computers in the first place.

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