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Comments on: Prosecutors target first 'Facebook harassment' conviction

Are they really gone? 

Posted Wednesday 5th March 2008 11:09 GMT

Coat

"Hurst and Sladden's Facebook accounts have been deleted from the site."

Deleted or deactivated? ;)

Extreme 

Posted Wednesday 5th March 2008 11:11 GMT

Thumb Up

Well that's one way to get ArseBook to delete your personal information!

Which account was deleted!? 

Posted Wednesday 5th March 2008 11:43 GMT

Paris Hilton

Surely if *he* was guilty, only *his* account should've been kiboshed?

Paris, she definately needs kiboshing...

Really Deleted? 

Posted Wednesday 5th March 2008 11:59 GMT

Coat

Sounds like the easiest way of getting it deleted

Why is the Reg reporting this? 

Posted Wednesday 5th March 2008 13:18 GMT

Dead Vulture

Are we going to get a stream of similar articles, one for each and every social networking site that gets used in the course of a crime? It's a bit like What Car? reporting a bank robbery just because the getaway vehicle was the latest Ford Mondeo.

The dead vulture because it's clearly been run over by the latest Ford Mondeo

Wasn't this 'Facebook harrassment' then? 

Posted Wednesday 5th March 2008 13:39 GMT

Dead Vulture

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/10/04/facebook_friend_request_jail-time/

Facebook deletion is easy! 

Posted Wednesday 5th March 2008 13:49 GMT

Tried cancelling a myspace account? THREE seperate windows to select "Cancel account" (each telling you that you won't be able to reactivate it!), before they send you a "confirmation email" in which you have to click a link, which takes you to a page with ANOTHER button to cancel your account!

They THEN tell you it'll take 48 hours!

@Bruce 

Posted Wednesday 5th March 2008 14:01 GMT

Thumb Up

No. It's more like Top Gear (had it been around at the time) reporting the first time a car was used as getaway transport (instead of, say, a horse, or a hot air balloon). I can also easily image Top Gear (in the present or near future) reporting the first time a hybrid is used as a getaway vehicle.

Re: Wasn't this 'Facebook harrassment' then? 

Posted Wednesday 5th March 2008 14:59 GMT

(Written by Reg staff.)

He was in violation of a restraining order, there was no harrassment charge.

Excuse me? 

Posted Wednesday 5th March 2008 19:16 GMT

Flame

Web pages are a "pull" medium. thus, there can be no harassment of someone via the Web in which the "victim" is not a willing accomplice, since the victim has to actively *request* the Web page(s) to be pulled to his/her computer for viewing.

Yet another case of the so-called "justice system" failing to grasp even the simplest elements of modern technology.

Nurrrrr 

Posted Wednesday 5th March 2008 19:22 GMT

Stop

Why is there always a mouth-breather who asks 'Why is the Reg reporting this?' Robbing a bank with a Ford Mondeo doesn't set a precedent affecting the interpretation of restraining orders.

News doesn't have to be about Paris Hilton or Microsoft before you start to take it seriously.

You can block people on Facebook 

Posted Wednesday 5th March 2008 19:55 GMT

Facebook has excellent privacy controls. You can block people so that they cannot find any trace of you on the site. It would have been far easier if she had just blocked him.

Strange... 

Posted Wednesday 5th March 2008 20:12 GMT

Stop

"He is accused of a breach of the Harassment Act 1997 when he used Facebook to contact Sladden on 21 January."

I even overcame my lazy bastard nature and went to read the original article to look for more details (and found nothing).

So the guy contacted her ONCE (I'm assuming it was that, since it was 21 Jan.) and that is harassing!? Either there is something we are not being told here or people are going crazy... Both are likely enough scenarios, therefore I don't know what to make of this one.

And this cretin is how old? 

Posted Wednesday 5th March 2008 22:50 GMT

Paris Hilton

33 going on 13 sounds more apropo.

@Morely Dotes 

Posted Thursday 6th March 2008 02:13 GMT

Coat

I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say here: are you trying to say that it's ok to stalk / harrass or abuse somebody via the web or email?

Or are you simply saying that once somebody has been the victim of this kind of thing, they should simply stop using facebook / their email address / the internet?

Either way: I think you are probably wrong. Although web and email technology are indeed "pull" systems, the fact that the (in this case facebook) account is the property of the victim, makes sufficient grounds for this to be called harassment if you ask me.

I guess if somebody attacked my house, I could simply not go home. After all, I don't have to go home after work... that is a positive action on my part, so it would be my fault?

Hmmm 

Posted Thursday 6th March 2008 06:21 GMT

A little odd her account was closed, but from Facebook's perspective it probably goes:

If you have a face book account you accept people are going to contact you.

There are ways to actively block people, if you don't use them, then you are giving your consent to be contacted.

If you then later drag this into court, whilst not taking the effort to use said blocking feature you are too much of a liability.

And I think the account probably belongs to Facebook.

Not sure if email is really pull - it is actually push technology with a little pull at the end if you are using a remote client. Though the pull, push thing is a bit of a red herring.

I just lament the fact the net has become so serious, and hark back to the good old days when everything was just a bit of a lark. Can't we just ban the normal people from the net, and reclaim our cyber frontier days :)

you'd be suprised 

Posted Thursday 6th March 2008 09:00 GMT

i used to run a site where someone complained "someone is using your forum to harass me" etc, so i not only pointed out that you can block someone from sending you messages, but i even went and modified both of their accounts settings to block the other one

a couple of days later threats to sue me for allowing the harassment, so i had a look, both had gone in and changed their account settings to allow messages again - while i was there i also looked at the messages and they were both as bad as each other by the looks of it - so i just banned the pair of them

my guess is they were having an argument, both as at fault as the other, but one had the great idea of complaining and getting the other one banned from the site... guess he didn't realise the site owner can read any messages sent through the site to see for themselves who needs banning

Pull, surely 

Posted Thursday 6th March 2008 09:16 GMT

Coat

you pull a little string, it opens a latch on a trapdoor and piles of steaming dung stream forth from it

mines the sou'wester... (how do you spell this?)

@Morley Dotes 

Posted Thursday 6th March 2008 09:59 GMT

"Web pages are a "pull" medium. thus, there can be no harassment of someone via the Web in which the "victim" is not a willing accomplice, since the victim has to actively *request* the Web page(s) to be pulled to his/her computer for viewing."

Surely no different from arguing that you can't harrass by post since the victim has to be a willing accomplice in choosing to open the envelope.

This line will be the inevitable defense... 

Posted Thursday 6th March 2008 11:29 GMT

"I swear, I never poked her in my life!"

@Morely Dotes 

Posted Thursday 6th March 2008 12:10 GMT

Stop

WALOB.

By your reasoning, sending an offensive, threatening letter via Royal Mail is OK, because the recipient had to play an active part in opening it ? I don't think so.

@Bruce 

Posted Thursday 6th March 2008 12:40 GMT

"Why is the Reg reporting this?"

Because it's *their* site and they can put what they want onto it?

pull push 

Posted Thursday 6th March 2008 13:05 GMT

Paris Hilton

by that same logic I can send you hundreds of emails because you have to physically pull them from the server and read them? so you've chosen to accept them.

critical misunderstanding of everything me thinks?

@Hywel 

Posted Thursday 6th March 2008 13:16 GMT

Black Helicopters

"I can also easily image Top Gear (in the present or near future) reporting the first time a hybrid is used as a getaway vehicle."

Oooh. It's almost worth robbing a bank in one, just to get that accolade.

(Black Helicopter, because surely *that's* the best getaway vehicle..)

@Morely Dotes 

Posted Thursday 6th March 2008 15:25 GMT

Yet another case of the so-called "experts" failing to grasp even the simplest elements of justice

@anon coward "nurr" 

Posted Thursday 6th March 2008 15:32 GMT

Happy

That's exactly my point - this case does *not* set a precedent because there have been previous breaches of restraining orders etc committed by email, website, dating site etc. The *only* distinguishing feature of this case is that Facebook was used. So I repeat my question: will we see the same story with Google replaced for Facebook, then Yahoo, then MSN ad nauseam?

Smiley face because I'm pleased to see that you agree with "mouth breathers"

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