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Phorm, the advertising company that wants to pay your ISP to hand over information on which websites you visit, has convinced the UK's three largest providers to trust it, but regulators and the rest of the industry are less impressed.

Phorm's deals already mean it has already snagged more than ten million streams of UK users' browsing information.

Its remaining targets are surely Tiscali, Sky and Orange, who complete the six members of the UK broadband millionaires' club, which controls more than 95 per cent of the market.

Tiscali, which has more than two million broadband customers, told The Register it has looked into Phorm's system, but no decisions have been made.

Meanwhile a spokesman for Sky, the UK's fastest growing broadband network with about 1.2 million lines, said: "Sky is interested in exploring the potential for targeted online advertising and is talking with a number of companies operating in this area.

"Of paramount importance is the online safety of our customers and will only implement a solution when we can use customer data in a responsible way which safeguards privacy."

BT, Virgin Media and Talk Talk argue that Phorm's anonymising techniques will achieve this feat. When discussing Webwise, the consumer brand for Phorm's advertising targeting system, the existing partners all place heavy emphasis on its widely-available and standard anti-phishing features.

Sky and Tiscali both seem keen to gauge consumer reaction to their browsing habits being sold off before committing.

Orange, which occupies the number six spot in the UK broadband league, said: "We're always looking at ways to make the internet experience safer and more relevant for the individual. We have been in discussions with a number of companies - including Phorm - about this very interesting area."

"We are currently evaluating a number of options and continue to evaluate both the customer and business benefits of targeted advertising."

The Information Commissioner's Office learned that the trio of giants had signed on to implement Phorm's ad targeting technology a couple of days before it was announced on Valentine's day. A spokeswoman told The Register today: "We have now met with them [Phorm] and asked for some more information that we're now looking at."

At the smaller end of the ISP scale, where the pressure to compete on super-cheap broadband but then gouge for so-called "incremental" revenues on the side is lower, the reaction to Phorm is more frosty. "We have not spoken to them and we would not speak to them," a Zen Internet spokeswoman said. The firm specialises in business broadband. "Zen Internet will continue to monitor OIX [Open Internet Exchange, Phorm's advertising network] with regards to protecting its customers."

Small outfits such as Zen are unlikely to be a target for Phorm, however. Its system involves it paying ISPs to insert hardware into their networks, so the greater the volume of subscriber browser data they can deliver in exchange, the better.

BT Retail's deal with Phorm does not affect BT's dozens of wholesale ISP customers, including PlusNet, which BT Group owns. A spokesman at the Sheffield-based provider could not be reached today, but product manager Ian Wild told subscribers in its forums: "We'd certainly do an opt-in or opt-out with something like this if we ever did it.

"Just to say again though, I'm pretty neutral from a product manager perspective as long as our customers are happy, and from a personal perspective it's something I might well choose to opt-out of unless the reason not to was very compelling."

Anyone out there compelled by Phorm's "safer, more relevant" internet yet?

We'll have fuller, technical details of how the system works later today. ®

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ISPs, portals, and ad networks have dropped the ball.

They have allowed the behavior targeting debate to spin out of their control, leaving the conversation in the hands of privacy evangelicals that represent only a vocal minority. As a result, most consumers and law-makers have concluded that ad targeting is a consumer protection issue.

My recommendation to ad networks, ISPs and portals is to take back the debate. With a modicum of marketing and consumer-friendly product offering, behavioral targeting can become the hero of its age, instead of the defiling villain.

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@Mark - Phorn abusing free speech?

Well, ok, chilling free speech. I visit hippiesforjesus.com or geeksfornukes.co.uk and Phorm kindly store this data on my HD, ready for the thought police.

I'm paranoid. And they're out to get me!

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It's a million-to-one chance, but it just might work.

" Is there some way I can tell Phorm to piss off? I might be running a subscription-only news service, and here's the ISP and Phorm taking my product and making a derivative work."

If the report that phorm injects an iframe into the content returned from webserver (which it uses to update it's tracking cookie on your PC) is true, then it should be possible to include a javascript that detects the webpage has been tampered with and flashes up a message to the victim informing them about phorm and that they are not welcome at your site until they find a reputable ISP. Alternatively you could redirect them to an https link.

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