By Adam WilliamsonPosted Thursday 13th December 2007 03:25 GMT
Why is this a big deal?
Okay, it's an unfortunate conjunction of words.
Big deal.
I presume your correspondent was not seized with a sudden desire to rape his friend. I further suggest that anyone, faced with this situation, who *was* seized with such a desire clearly has some serious problems in the first place. It would probably be doing a greater service to humanity to do something about that, rather than complaining about the ridiculously rare slightly unfortunate consequences of a wonderful idea (the recaptcha system) which is providing clear and concrete benefits to the world.
Basically: oh, grow up, view this as the tiny triviality it is, shrug, get on with life, and don't turn it into a news story.
By skeptical iPosted Thursday 13th December 2007 05:58 GMT
... the unfortunate captcha combination or the fact that Facebook exhorts people to "acd" friends (second graf, "Also, if you acd ... ") instead of add them? Or is this an OCR error in the screen grab software?
By Nexox EnigmaPosted Thursday 13th December 2007 06:36 GMT
If you have watched Beavis and Butthead do America, you'll realize that this pair can't even read their own names. Thus I doubt that they'd find many jokes in the written form. Maybe if it was one of those visually-impaired audio captchas...
I personally think that every captcha should be offensive - given the nature of most of the internet, I just don't think that this would be out of place at all.
But maybe thats the ale talking. Or could be the mind control drugs that the government puts in my beers... Or not. I'm pretty sure that its one or the other.
By Anonymous CowardPosted Thursday 13th December 2007 06:50 GMT
This from the ReCaptcha FAQs:
"Are CAPTCHAs secure? I heard spammers are using porn sites to solve them: the CAPTCHAs are sent to a porn site, and the porn site users are asked to solve the CAPTCHA before being able to see a pornographic image."
By Anonymous CowardPosted Thursday 13th December 2007 06:52 GMT
But if a computer can't read such a CAPTCHA, how does the system know the correct answer to the puzzle?
Here's how: Each new word that cannot be read correctly by OCR is given to a user in conjunction with another word for which the answer is already known. The user is then asked to read both words. If they solve the one for which the answer is known, the system assumes their answer is correct for the new one. The system then gives the new image to a number of other people to determine, with higher confidence, whether the original answer was correct.
By Chris CPosted Thursday 13th December 2007 07:18 GMT
Tom: Well apparently they know what one of the words means, and the show the word that they don't know the meaning of to a number of social-networkers. If they all give the same answer then they now know what that word means. All very clever I think.
By Ben CherryPosted Thursday 13th December 2007 07:24 GMT
They give you two words, as in the example in the article. The OCR couldnt read "rape", and the computer generated "now". You answer both, and if you got the seeded one right, it passes you, and also gives your solution to the unknown word to the system. Of course, they collect a number of solutions for each unknown to verify the solution.
By TeeCeePosted Thursday 13th December 2007 08:13 GMT
More to the point, if they don't know what the word is, how do they know that it's been decoded and typed in correctly by a human rather than just being random gibberish entered by a bot?
The words "chocolate teapot" spring to mind (and are probably out there in a captcha somewhere).
By Steven CoxPosted Thursday 13th December 2007 08:55 GMT
So in theory, if everyone who see's for example the word "cat" types in "dog" the computer will think it is actually "dog"? i say we pick a random word (say "monkey") and anytime it comes up we type "santa" just to confuse other people.
ok it doesnt have to be those words but u get what i mean.
By Anonymous CowardPosted Thursday 13th December 2007 09:01 GMT
What is more troubling is that you are a complete cretin. Firstly, for actually thinking it said "acd" (when any fool can see that the image size and quality have obviously been reduced from the original screenshot) because there are some graphical elements missing due to said reduction; and secondly, for using "graf" to mean "paragraph".
By Pie ManPosted Thursday 13th December 2007 09:26 GMT
1. On the few occasions I've seen bad captchas they've always been the first of the two words. Admittedly a small sample, but is it possible to poison the Carnegie program by entering one word correctly and the other a p155 take?
2. Does anyone know why it's called a Turing Test when my understanding of the Turing Test was can a human tell a computer apart from a human, not the other way around - a computer telling a computer apart from a human. Small difference, but the kind that keeps me awake all night!
By John MacintyrePosted Thursday 13th December 2007 09:29 GMT
I seem to recall from another article on this that the word they know is the one they use to verify your entry. If that's correct, they reckon there's an 80% chance the other word would be correct. In the above case if they'd typed rare now it may still have let them through. They collate the unknowns - it will probably appear on several peoples captcha forms (from people who entered the known word correctly) and they usually just pick the most common word. It's unlikely from the randomness of appearance that several unrelated people will type the the same wrong answer in. No idea how many times it hits people but it's quite a few I think
By JoelPosted Thursday 13th December 2007 10:09 GMT
I thought that the campaign for more yellow flowering plants in agriculture was a minority pressure group, but their campaign slogan seems to be raising quite a stir.....
By Anonymous CowardPosted Thursday 13th December 2007 11:48 GMT
"the rest of the world knows them as captchas, short for completely automated public Turing Test to tell computers and humans apart. "
What a load of rubbish, the rest of the (albeit techie) world knows it as "Completely Automated Program to Tell Computers and Humans Apart" - nothing to do with public, nor is it a turing test (complete opposite, as Pie Man mentioned)... sometimes they are referred to as a "reverse Turing test".
By Timothy SladePosted Thursday 13th December 2007 12:00 GMT
Not doctored, just resized, and probably using a linear rather then cubic or bicubic algorithm, so it just dropped some rows and some columns, possibly evenly spaced throughout the image. It just happens that it dropped the column that contained the upright of the second 'd' in 'add', as can be seen looking at the letter 'w' above, or 'h' below. Clearly you need content aware image resizing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qadw0BRKeMk).
By Adam WilliamsonPosted Thursday 13th December 2007 17:56 GMT
Er, what?
I posted a response based on the content of the post, as is conventional around these here parts. (Well, either that, or a response based on Paris Hilton). Do let me know if you were expecting something else.
If you're suggesting the post was 'humorous' (in that special way Reg posts are allowed to be without actually making you laugh...), it clearly wasn't, as the opening paragraph explicitly states:
"It's been a while, but we've got another for you, this time from Facebook - and this time it ain't so silly."
By Anonymous CowardPosted Thursday 13th December 2007 18:28 GMT
"probably using a linear rather then cubic or bicubic algorithm, so it just dropped some rows and some columns"
"Just dropping" rows and columns isn't even linear, it's not any kind of interpolation at all, it's just nonaliased subsampling (aka blit-based rescaling). But yes, it's absolutely what's going on there, I reckon that grab was taken from an LCD display where the computer's desktop resolution setting doesn't match the LCD's natural resolution.
The drivelling inanity of conspiracy theories based on the "Oh look, I found a pixel out of place - that hasn't *ever* happened to anyone before, so it must be suspicious" line of reasoning really disappoints me. Can't the kooks be bothered any more?
By yeah, right.Posted Friday 14th December 2007 02:42 GMT
They could just have random letters and numbers, thus ensuring that no real words could be spelled. Of course, then they would probably forget to omit 1/i, 0/O and other similar ones, resulting in far more people being labelled as bots.
Comments on: Facebook takes the Captcha rap
This is no supprise #
By Brett Posted Thursday 13th December 2007 02:09 GMT
I don't get it... #
By Tom Posted Thursday 13th December 2007 02:43 GMT
ReCapta strikes me as a fantastic idea... #
By Christopher Martin Posted Thursday 13th December 2007 03:15 GMT
So? #
By Adam Williamson Posted Thursday 13th December 2007 03:25 GMT
random words from #
By Anonymous Coward Posted Thursday 13th December 2007 04:01 GMT
What is more troubling ... #
By skeptical i Posted Thursday 13th December 2007 05:58 GMT
Re: Beavis and Butthead #
By Nexox Enigma Posted Thursday 13th December 2007 06:36 GMT
But the Spammers are just as clever #
By Anonymous Coward Posted Thursday 13th December 2007 06:50 GMT
Re: Tom: "I don't get it... " #
By Anonymous Coward Posted Thursday 13th December 2007 06:52 GMT
Who cares about the capthca #
By Sampler Posted Thursday 13th December 2007 07:13 GMT
Re: I don't get it - Tom #
By Chris C Posted Thursday 13th December 2007 07:18 GMT
re: Tom #
By Ben Cherry Posted Thursday 13th December 2007 07:24 GMT
RE: Adam Williamson #
By Craig Posted Thursday 13th December 2007 08:13 GMT
@Tom #
By TeeCee Posted Thursday 13th December 2007 08:13 GMT
Has anyone else noticed... #
By Anonymous Coward Posted Thursday 13th December 2007 08:31 GMT
How it works... #
By Steven Cox Posted Thursday 13th December 2007 08:55 GMT
@ What is more troubling ... #
By Anonymous Coward Posted Thursday 13th December 2007 09:01 GMT
How come... #
By James Brash Posted Thursday 13th December 2007 09:18 GMT
Two thoughts.. #
By Pie Man Posted Thursday 13th December 2007 09:26 GMT
@TomCee #
By John Macintyre Posted Thursday 13th December 2007 09:29 GMT
What's all the fuss about? #
By Joel Posted Thursday 13th December 2007 10:09 GMT
Too much assumption #
By jason Posted Thursday 13th December 2007 10:20 GMT
@James Brash #
By Richard Gadsden Posted Thursday 13th December 2007 10:22 GMT
mmm #
By Tommy Posted Thursday 13th December 2007 10:47 GMT
So... #
By Chris Long Posted Thursday 13th December 2007 10:54 GMT
Hotty at Work? #
By Scott Evil Posted Thursday 13th December 2007 11:23 GMT
Get it right, + @ Pie Man, jason #
By Anonymous Coward Posted Thursday 13th December 2007 11:48 GMT
re: doctored image? #
By Timothy Slade Posted Thursday 13th December 2007 12:00 GMT
Agreed #
By andy Posted Thursday 13th December 2007 13:24 GMT
Wired.com had a good article on this... #
By Miguel Posted Thursday 13th December 2007 13:44 GMT
Craig #
By Adam Williamson Posted Thursday 13th December 2007 17:56 GMT
Security? #
By Lee Aydelotte Posted Thursday 13th December 2007 18:17 GMT
re: doctored image? #
By Anonymous Coward Posted Thursday 13th December 2007 18:28 GMT
Gotta love captcha #
By ratfox Posted Thursday 13th December 2007 22:50 GMT
Another one #
By Scott Posted Friday 14th December 2007 00:20 GMT
alternatively #
By yeah, right. Posted Friday 14th December 2007 02:42 GMT