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Comments on: DHS accepts buggy Eye-o-Sauron™ border scan towers

Who would have thought of it! 

Posted Wednesday 12th December 2007 11:29 GMT

Radars triggering by rain? (we never watch the wheather reports now do we)

Typical Gov budgets 

Posted Wednesday 12th December 2007 12:10 GMT

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"said it could go to $30bn "

Why not just have a border guard about every couple of miles, proberbly work out cheaper and be more effective.

That told him Chertoff 

Posted Wednesday 12th December 2007 12:35 GMT

Paris Hilton

I told the head of Boeing some time back, 'Look, I'm not, you know, you don't have a lock on this entire border'

Or rather, it would have told him, if it had made any sense.

PH Icon as even she can manage to string together a simple sentence.

Back of postcard calculation 

Posted Wednesday 12th December 2007 12:40 GMT

Stop

Thousands of miles of border (lets assume 3).

$30 billion.

That's a million $'s/mile, around $625 per metre.

Employing a low paid ($30k/annum) Mexican immigrant to stand at every 100th metre with a rifle for 30 years would cost half as much, and that's just the installation cost of the towers, running costs, maintenance and all the ancillary equipment (Rangers in their humvee's with the equipment to show the data) will make the 30 year running costs much higher.

because these kind of defence mistakes never get made, noooo ... 

Posted Wednesday 12th December 2007 12:46 GMT

Alien

"Chertoff said that acceptance of Project 28 did not mean that DHS was willing to be saddled with a hugely expensive white elephant by Boeing."

noooo! of course not! how could such a thing happen? Defence contractors blagging up multi-gazillion dollar projects by assuring paranoid government types that "we have the tech, let us take care of it ...."!?!?

20 years and many, many more gazillions later .... oh, and a few mating rabbits that accidentally triggered a SCUD missile attack ... I can almost read the headlines in advance.

How many ways can it "look" at once? 

Posted Wednesday 12th December 2007 12:52 GMT

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So if the radar cues up the optics, does that mean that once it has been distracted to look one way it is in boresight mode and effectively "blind" to anything else? If so, all the illegals would have to do is get a suitable distraction off to one side and then they could drive a bus past on the other whilst the border cops are zooming in to the COP view and trying to work out if it's another decoy....

Radar capable of "seeing" enemy troops was all the rage a while back, I'm pretty sure Lewis mentioned recently that most militaries dropped it as unreliable and ineffective? I seem to remember our Army only use mortar-locating radar nowadays rather than the old chestpack radars.

Re: Postcard calc 

Posted Wednesday 12th December 2007 13:00 GMT

Go

I love the idea of hiring illegal immigrants to work as border guards. What could POSSIBLY go wrong? Ha ha!

Honestly 

Posted Wednesday 12th December 2007 13:09 GMT

Joke

This would work a lot more effectively if they attached a couple of miniguns to the things.

We could then borrow them, stick a couple at the entrance to the channel tunnel and make you swipe your id card before passing them

Re: Postcard calc (again) 

Posted Wednesday 12th December 2007 13:20 GMT

Coat

A recruitment drive would be simplified to: "Look the other way for a bit".....

Decoys made with cardboard, sticks, twine and tinfoil - maybe $2 each 

Posted Wednesday 12th December 2007 13:26 GMT

Set up some ('some' being much more than several) Bhuddist-style prayer wheel wind-driven corner reflectors - with arms to provide appropriate amounts of Doppler - and the system will be so swamped that you'll actually see the towers fall over.

AC for this one...

So...the electronic fence doesn't work any better than in 1968? 

Posted Wednesday 12th December 2007 13:38 GMT

Robert McNamara tried it in Vietnam, and it didn't work. But, hey, the tech *must* be better now...shouldn't it be? Well, at least it has been successful in transferring millions of tax dollars to Boeing.

@ Steve 

Posted Wednesday 12th December 2007 14:00 GMT

Stop

I was also trying to make head or tale of whatever the hell the idiot was talking about! it worries me that such illiterate fools are in charge of such things.

why not 

Posted Wednesday 12th December 2007 15:13 GMT

why not spend $30 billion doing up the side of Mexico closest to the border, create a call centre or two, a few dozen industrial sites, a few leisure parks. Sit back and have the Mexicans not want to go the states at all?

get yer slops! 

Posted Wednesday 12th December 2007 15:44 GMT

So basically it's a subsidy to Boeing, using the towers as an excuse. This is the same country that bitches high and low about other governments subsidising their industries? The US government never ceases to amaze me at the sheer level of hypocrisy it can churn out per month.

When are they putting the wireless lightning gun on these to automatically fire at anything it locates?

better idea 

Posted Wednesday 12th December 2007 16:14 GMT

Pirate

adopt Boeing's Advanced Tactical Laser to mount on top o' the eye and fry ANYBODY trying to cross the border. Keep the mexicans out, keep the americans in. Everybody wins, and Boeing stock will soar to new highs.

RE: postcard calc 

Posted Wednesday 12th December 2007 17:31 GMT

Heart

If DHS hires enough Mexicans as border guards, there won't be any left to try to sneak in illegally. Of course that would then make their jobs redundant, so they'd get laid off, and try to sneak over the border to find work - as a border guard! (repeat ad infinitum).

However, the calculation is off a bit. You'd need at least three shifts of $30k/year workers for each post.

-Chris

Contractors 

Posted Wednesday 12th December 2007 20:10 GMT

How much you wanna bet the contractors all contributed heavily to Bush's reelection, and or his personally slush fund?

$30e9, probably it won;t work, but even a 1% political kickback *will* work for Bush's cabal.

Hmm , Blame Canada ! 

Posted Wednesday 12th December 2007 20:49 GMT

Black Helicopters

Hmm , I always thought the bigger the fence to keep the unwashed masses and required slaves and serfs out of the country then the the easier it becomes to turn the country into one mass prison camp to prevent the locals from leaving and seeking a better life fleeing from the Union of the Soviet States of Amerika's perverted version of law and order in the land of the delusional paranoid and the imprisoned for life !

Blame those evil but very free fun loving Canadians for this mess !

instead of a virtual fence 

Posted Thursday 13th December 2007 00:24 GMT

Black Helicopters

why not build a f**king real solid fence instead of some fake, virtual "Second Life" crap?! Concrete, razor wire, and solar powered high voltage. Quit screwing around with security-I don't see this "virtual' security crap being used around "important" stuff-banks, Saudi Princes, Hollywood d*ckweeds-they all use real, nasty security-usually backed up by thugs with guns. Crime, slavery, and terrorism are real problems and not some Web 2.0 wankerism! Why do so many of these politicians think a swiss cheese border is a good thing?

Nevermind, it's that Fifth Column. Good job, Soviet Union! Looks like you won the Cold War after all.

Hopefully... 

Posted Thursday 13th December 2007 00:56 GMT

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...the eyes will at least be able to automatically post some video to YouTube. For Great Justice.

@dave 

Posted Thursday 13th December 2007 11:12 GMT

Black Helicopters

anyone else see a new TV series in this

Immigrants are swamping our borders! Quick, grab the BatLaser

Does it detect planes? 

Posted Thursday 13th December 2007 11:58 GMT

Pirate

It needs to,as their technology in 2001 that was designed to missed 3 of them.

I think you know the planes i speak of.

Canadian Border 

Posted Thursday 13th December 2007 17:52 GMT

Lots of places where the border runs through towns in the East and here in BC there's Avenue 0 which has border markers in the ditch on the south side. Hope they put some up there and we can watch them spin until the heads fall off.

Other thought, how well would these deal with wildlife, wind blown shopping bags or other detritus, moving trees? Would love to see how they "interpret" the COPs that are generated.

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