By KanePosted Tuesday 11th December 2007 12:44 GMT
...is only covered here in the UK, isn't it? What about overseas? Is Mr Claus adhering to any international laws about Data retention? Does he come under the same scrutiny elsewhere?
On another note, how is this data stored? Is it held on an encrypted and secure database? How is it accessed? Does he use MyELFQL, or does he simply burn the data tables to a CD so that any old joe blogs can view the data?
The public should, and must know.
Think About The Children!
Mine's the red hoodie with the white trim, thank you!
By Ralph BPosted Tuesday 11th December 2007 13:03 GMT
About time too. I hope they next investigate God's biometic ID database. With His indefinite retention policy for covertly collected, all-purvasive monitoring data He's almost as bad as Google.
By Keller DrozdickPosted Tuesday 11th December 2007 13:09 GMT
I'm certainly no expert on EU regulations, but it seems to me that data protection should not apply, at least in regard to the submitted wish lists.
To my knowledge, none of the alledged gift bringers, (e.g. Father Christmas, Santa Claus, Papa Noel, etc.) has ever requested a list of desired gifts. Just because he is sent unsolicited personal information should not then mean he is automaticaly obligated to protect that info. It is an unfair burden, particularly when this gift delivery activity is merely a hobby. (1. method of transport is clearly not the most efficient or cost effective and 2. anyone ever NOT gotten something on their list? I thought so, highly unprofessional)
By Anonymous CowardPosted Tuesday 11th December 2007 13:12 GMT
So, the data on this laptop that a distracted elf left on the subway is worth money? I was just planning on starting a "Naughty" dating service and a "Nice" dating service...
By ChrisPosted Tuesday 11th December 2007 13:33 GMT
The whole event is fraught with risk. Children who leave out carrots for Rudolph and mince pies for Santa could be liable in the event that the portly chap, or said beasts, choke or become poorly after eating them. Additionally, leaving out a tot of brandy can encourage driving an open sleigh while under the influence. It is recommended that one parent remains awake all night to deal with any incidents and administer first aid where required. Householders should also ensure their flue is clear from debris with adequate space for a fat bastard in a red coat and a big sack of toys. A roof survey is recommended in order to ensure it can cope with the weight of a herd of reindeer, a sleigh and several million presents. Finally it is recommended that sturdy, insulated boots are used when putting a foot through the television screen after seeing that Only Fools And Bastard Horses is on AGAIN, for fucks sake.
By Anonymous CowardPosted Tuesday 11th December 2007 13:48 GMT
Nice to see that these legalised thieves, aka lawyers, are making so much surplus cash out of our corrupt legal system that they can afford to pay people a fortune to trawl out nonsensical crap like this instead of doing something useful in/for this country.
Am sure all those people who've been failed in the courts by these vultures and got nothing because of some chav-friendly loophole that robs them of justice will be overjoyed to see where they've been focusing all of their money and efforts.
No Mr Cratchitt, you can't have another lump of coal.
Lapland is gonna get hacked by information thieves #
By Anonymous CowardPosted Tuesday 11th December 2007 14:24 GMT
Forget HMRC; this is serious!
People have been mailing Santa/Father Christmas/Sinter-Klaus/Saint Nicholas for years. Any breach will expose the childhood fantisies of numerous current day adults.
Can all his Elves be trusted to:
a) Enter the data correctly?
b) Read all the various different languages/dialects in which the messages arrive?
Are they in breach if they don't support a new medium? (SMS).
What if he out-sources his Elves to Bangalorean Midgets? Will the Data Transfer be encrypted?
Will they implement stringent Authentication and Authorization on the Data?
Imagine the Data Mining capabilities on that Database!
What if he sells out to Facebook? All those "sophisticated people" being exposed as wanting a "My Little Pony" set as an innocent child - imagine that comming back to haunt you.
Will you be in for a session of "Water-Boarding" by the CIA if all you wanted was "Peace and Good Will to all Men"?
What if you didn't write anything to Santa? Will they cross reference you against all those "believers" to label you as an anti-establishment figure from the age of 6 onwards; therefore in need of extra monitoring and a dose of re-education (see above).
I'm worried and you should be too!
information was sent out of the eu by the sender. #
By CharlesPosted Tuesday 11th December 2007 14:24 GMT
We all know that santa's real official address is
Santa Claus
North Pole Canada
H0H 0H0
So his data is covered under Canadian Law, and I am sure that he keeps it well frozen. Since Canada Post has the contract to help him answer the volume of mail I am sure that they are also under sutable obligations.
By StevePosted Tuesday 11th December 2007 14:42 GMT
We now think that our data protection laws apply to entities based in the Arctic, a territory governed by international treaty only...
If children are foolish enough to post information out of the country, they should be aware that they will receive no protection under British law once the letters leave our shores.
By Anonymous CowardPosted Tuesday 11th December 2007 15:02 GMT
"If children are foolish enough to post information out of the country, they should be aware that they will receive no protection under British law once the letters leave our shores."
As repeated government blunders/cockups/bullshite/lies/spin have shown us, there is no protection while the data is within these shores, either - probably less, in fact.
By TawakalnaPosted Tuesday 11th December 2007 17:45 GMT
*Everyone* knows that Father Christmas lives at the North Pole and Finland simultaneously during the Christmas season, but spends the rest of the year in a terrace in Bradford or on holiday in the South of France.
N.B. remove the extra CR/LF in the PGP signature header and footer
introduced by this form to get it to verify.
Where is Father Christmas, Santa Claus, Joulupukki? It depends #
By euroblokePosted Tuesday 11th December 2007 19:56 GMT
If you are Danish or American, Santa lives on the North Pole, which is Greenlandic/Danish terriaryIf you are Danish or American. Santa lives on the North Pole, which is Danish (Greenlandic) territory.
If you are Canadian, Santa also lives on the North Pole (Canada), which is Canadian (Northwest Territories) territory. Although strangely, his post office is in Montreal QC
If you are British or Finnish, Father Christmas/Joulupukki lives in Rovaniemi, Finland (Lapland), which is Finnish territory.
If you are Dutch or Belgian, Sinterklaas or Sint-Nicolaas is from the Basque Country in Spain, arriving by steam ship.
By Anonymous CowardPosted Tuesday 11th December 2007 21:04 GMT
Finland claim Santa as their own, living in Finnish Lapland. So EU privacy laws *should* apply, but Finland isn't too hot on privacy laws. Forget HMRC losing private data, their Finnish counterparts illegally sells it to the highest bidder every year.
Once a year, the gov tax dept sells "private" info to the press about the entire population (who earn over a certain low limit): name, city, income tax paid, and income. This is then published in a big 8 euro volume. Oh, and you can get per-person data via premium SMS. Google "verosirkus" for more. It's a shame there's no Finnish El Reg to throw up a stink against this, but it'd still make a good story here, eh?
By Morely DotesPosted Wednesday 12th December 2007 00:06 GMT
Santa Claus has lived on Mars ever since he conquered the Martians. Under UN auspices, no nation may claim the territory of Mars, as it is extra-Terrestrial, ergo Santa is not subject to the laws of any single nation of the Planet Earth.
Furthermore, I have it on good authority that this year, all lawyers are getting lumps of imitation coal (small pieces of granite, painted black with lead-based paint, and the work is outsourced to China as the Elves refused to provide anything whatsoever to lawyers, except used bog rolls, which Santa didn't want to carry about with him).
By StanPosted Wednesday 12th December 2007 00:34 GMT
Someone call 'em quick, the uk gov. is trying to heist the lost data market.
@GrahamT, Christmas is already gone, it was officially banned around 10 years ago for racial/ethical discrimination. It was replaced with something like 'winterfest', not sure if it got officially allowed again or not.
@tim. LOL, I'm goin' carol singing with that and a 6 pack.
By Ross FraserPosted Wednesday 12th December 2007 00:35 GMT
All letters posted to Santa Clause (or Father Christmas or Kris Kringle) addressed to the North Pole, Canada (Canadian postal code H0H0H0) are answered by volunteers at Canada Post. As Canada Post is a federal agency that complies with Canadian federal privacy law, and as Canada is compliant with the EU's data protection provisions, the data should be safe. Moreover, Canada Post does not have a record of losing CD's containing drivers licence data mailed from Swansea...
As Canada claims arctic soverignty, complaints may be made to Jennifer Stoddard, Privacy Commissioner of Canada, at http://www.privcom.gc.ca/
By SlainePosted Wednesday 12th December 2007 11:03 GMT
given that there is no longer anything private or secure about information held on British subjects by any department of the British government or any of it's feckless minion departments...
...can anyone send me a copy of the naughty list ;)
Comments on: Santa putting children's information at risk, warn experts
Data Protection act #
By David Adams Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 12:29 GMT
This is all moot... #
By GrahamT Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 12:32 GMT
WTF? #
By An ominous cow herd Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 12:34 GMT
What are you on ...? #
By Andrew Bolton Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 12:35 GMT
British kids don't write to Santa Claus or Kris Kringle #
By Stuart Elliott Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 12:44 GMT
But the Data Protection Act.... #
By Kane Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 12:44 GMT
Security alert #
By Pete mcQuail Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 12:51 GMT
Not the worst offender #
By Ralph B Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 13:03 GMT
Unfair application of laws #
By Keller Drozdick Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 13:09 GMT
Elves and laptops #
By Anonymous Coward Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 13:12 GMT
Stuff #
By Anonymous Coward Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 13:25 GMT
Liability #
By Chris Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 13:33 GMT
Bah humbug #
By Anonymous Coward Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 13:48 GMT
Will he mail the database or presents on CD's? #
By Ash Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 13:49 GMT
Lapland is gonna get hacked by information thieves #
By Anonymous Coward Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 14:24 GMT
information was sent out of the eu by the sender. #
By Charles Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 14:24 GMT
Forgot the URL for Santa's Mailbox. #
By Charles Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 14:26 GMT
Have we turned into the US? #
By Steve Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 14:42 GMT
@Steve #
By Anonymous Coward Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 15:02 GMT
You better watch out... #
By Tim Ireland Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 16:32 GMT
Reindeer.. #
By Tawakalna Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 17:45 GMT
Santa has published PGP keys for years #
By Santa's little helper Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 19:19 GMT
Where is Father Christmas, Santa Claus, Joulupukki? It depends #
By eurobloke Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 19:56 GMT
Santa sells private data to the highest bidder #
By Anonymous Coward Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 21:04 GMT
Not unlike Ironport's anti-spam database! #
By Gordon Fecyk Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 23:10 GMT
Your data is obsolete. #
By Morely Dotes Posted Wednesday 12th December 2007 00:06 GMT
monopolies commision #
By Stan Posted Wednesday 12th December 2007 00:34 GMT
Naughty/nice data safe with Canada Post #
By Ross Fraser Posted Wednesday 12th December 2007 00:35 GMT
@Ross Fraser #
By Kevin Posted Wednesday 12th December 2007 06:04 GMT
moot point number 25 million #
By Slaine Posted Wednesday 12th December 2007 11:03 GMT
Thanks, Stan #
By Tim Ireland Posted Wednesday 12th December 2007 14:22 GMT
Civil Santa #
By Mark Manderson Posted Friday 14th December 2007 15:31 GMT