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Published Friday 9th November 2007 10:01 GMT

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Animal brains 

By Anonymous Coward
Posted Friday 9th November 2007 10:16 GMT
Black Helicopters

Animal brains are well adapted to their environment. I would have thought a moth brain would be quite adept at controlling a rotorcraft drone...

'enhanced'? 

By andy rock
Posted Friday 9th November 2007 10:18 GMT
Dead Vulture

f***er can't fly anymore, can it? hardly 'enhanced' then?

No animals were hurt during this experiment, yeah right. 

By Anonymous Coward
Posted Friday 9th November 2007 10:40 GMT
Dead Vulture

HI.

I see already growing trend in robotics science where animal activist would have something to say. I is hard to say if them activists are bothered about insects, moskitos or such but if birds have natural talent for flying why shouldnt they ( or rather their brains ) fly planes.

Should have called this article Mothocop anyway.

Take care.

Enhanced 

By jonathan keith
Posted Friday 9th November 2007 10:41 GMT

It's certainly not going to be eaten by any bats in the near future though.

Creepy Crawly 

By Tim
Posted Friday 9th November 2007 10:45 GMT
Stop

I'm sorry but putting animal brains into robots whether rats, moths or politicians is very creepy.

I can't help pondering on how frustrated the poor moth (in this case) is at no longer being able to fly.

Let's face it, all an adult moth (and indeed politician) is interested in is flying towards lights, nectar and reproduction. Nor sure how that model fits in with modern day policing, although I could make a few suggestions. . . anonymously of course.

Poor Moth.

What your telling me is... 

By Anonymous Coward
Posted Friday 9th November 2007 10:46 GMT

A moth that eats tabbaco (I asume by its name) has been give robocop style powers? NOOOOO!!!!!!!!! Our future robot overlords will now have a way to controle us (The smokers at least!). Whats next in this list of dangers? Fitting Hop munching bugs with flame throwers?

Got to go panic buy Ciggies!

Pest in a robot 

By Paul Darcy
Posted Friday 9th November 2007 11:00 GMT
Alert

So as a 4 inch moth its a pest eating crops. Now to the near future the moth is now driving a combine cutting the crops for us thinking its going to get the next crop for itself. Suddenly it dawns "these buggers are using me" then off it trots to the nearest town in its 10ton churning and ripping machine. WOW hollywood needs to script this so we dont fall for it. Whos using who. The scientist thinks he is onto a break through and all the time the queen moth is using mind power to take over the world WOOOOHAHAHAHA!!!!!! B movie time.

Rise of the terylene Terminators 

By Mike Richards
Posted Friday 9th November 2007 11:07 GMT

Wardrobes around the world will never be safe again!

Where do sign up? 

By chuckufarley
Posted Friday 9th November 2007 11:14 GMT
Alien

With the current state of medical science and (especially) the ineptitude of medical "professionals" I would like to sign my name on the dotted line. I am sure at some point in the next 30 to 50 years my liver will give out and I can't think of a better way to deal with the inability to imbibe than to become a Cybermen and enslave meatbags the universe over.

_______________________________

Coat. Hat. Pub. Upgrade Centre #223.

Offensive Departments. 

By amanfromMars
Posted Friday 9th November 2007 11:19 GMT

I think you'll find the Pentagon have already cornered the Market in the Bio-Mechanical Paranoid Android by Proxy Poxy Programming. IT isn't a Life though as it isn't yours to Control.

A Remote Temporal Cortex Lobotomy for Cannon Fodder, Visualised and Virtualised, and Performed on the Innocent and Naive. One Dumb Mother/Son of a Bitch of a Program/New World Order Project.

One would have thought that they would have far Greater and Beta Things to do with their Time in this Place/on this Space.

They'll certainly be offered no Place for such Shenanigans in this Space...... and the idea of them setting up Bases in CyberSpace is QuITe Ridiculous although as a Simulator for BetaTesting of Proposed and Supposed 42BReal Down-to-Earth Life Systems, IT would certainly have a Worth.

The Trick is to Ensure Positive rather than Negative Value

Surely 

By MattW
Posted Friday 9th November 2007 11:32 GMT

these evil hybrids should be filed under ROTM?

Run... 

By Andrew Moore
Posted Friday 9th November 2007 11:40 GMT

DESTROY LIGHT BULB! DESTROY LIGHT BULB!

As I'm sure other people have commented before.... 

By Kane
Posted Friday 9th November 2007 11:45 GMT
Black Helicopters

...It seems it's about time we had another category - Rise Of The Animals.

See, as a pure research thing, I understand. But otherwise, why would you do this? Advancement for Cybernetic development?

New overlords? 

By Slappy
Posted Friday 9th November 2007 11:57 GMT
Black Helicopters

I for one welcome our new cybernetically enhanced insect overlords.

Why does this story give me mental images of thousands of these bug-bots descending onto a field of tobacco, to the tune of Ride Of The Valkyries?

dumdumdededumdum dumdededumdum dumdededumdum dumdededum

See what you've done reg? I'll never get that f'kin tune out of my head now :(

Good brain choce 

By Anonymous Coward
Posted Friday 9th November 2007 12:00 GMT
Go

I wonder what would have happened if they had used Tina Farrells brain?

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1022757_cool_cash_card_confusion

Junk science, or simulated science? 

By Anonymous Coward
Posted Friday 9th November 2007 12:35 GMT

From the picture it looks like it might just go round in circles if you poked it with a finger. There's much more impressive stuff from the 18th century in London's Science Museum - glass case loads of it. So would this be a significant contribution to cybernetic engineering or to the sociology of cybernetics?

management Brains? 

By Anonymous Coward
Posted Friday 9th November 2007 13:18 GMT

Plenty of useless "brains" in here -- management, HR and marketing have loads of lovely brains.

maybe not quite as good as a moth though.

RE: No animals were hurt during this experiment, yeah right 

By bluesxman
Posted Friday 9th November 2007 13:31 GMT
Coat

"if birds have natural talent for flying why shouldnt they ( or rather their brains ) fly planes."

Based on the amount of birds I've seen expressing this natural talent by braining themselves on patio windows, I going to say "no thanks!"

Mothocopter does Paris 

By b166er
Posted Friday 9th November 2007 14:18 GMT
Paris Hilton

Maybe Ms Hilton could step up as a volunteer for borging. She could be rolled out(over) in Hilton hotels worldwide as a 'maid' ;p

They're doing what? 

By Anonymous Coward
Posted Friday 9th November 2007 14:23 GMT
Coat

"...Professor Charles Higgins and his colleagues ... have chosen for the *nonce* to use the brain of a moth, still mounted in its moth body."

Um, they're making cyber-paedophiles?

I for one will... get my coat.

Why not birds? 

By T. Harrell
Posted Friday 9th November 2007 14:45 GMT

When doing research on animals, there is often an astounding amount of paperwork and ethical review involved. The benefit of the research is weighed carefully against the amount of harm done on the animal. As it stands, little research that harms animals is allowed at all. The line for this paperwork and review is drawn at whether or not the animal the animal has a spine (roughly). Insects are free game to do anything to without ethics committee review, while birds, frogs, and monkeys require the review.

As a caveat, I believe the paperwork requirement is tied to U.S. Federal funding, so private research or private business operations are immune.

Tobacco eating moths 

By Sweep
Posted Friday 9th November 2007 15:08 GMT

The moth won't eat tobacco plants, the caterpillar will, however.

Maybe this is the next move for the anti-smoking lobby- cyborg caterpillars to eat the plants, and if that doesn't work we'll be attacked by kamikaze moths as we stand out in the open outside pubs.

Won't somebody think of the children?

Oh great - RoboPest 

By Paul
Posted Friday 9th November 2007 17:20 GMT
Coat

As if insects aren't bloody annoying enough already without giving them great big robotic bodies.

"Waiter! Waiter! My soup's on this fly!"

I only know one thing.. 

By Andy Bright
Posted Friday 9th November 2007 19:48 GMT
Go

I may not be a hero cop, but I'm coming back as a robot - where do we sign up?

Don't use a moth for 'copters 

By Brian Miller
Posted Friday 9th November 2007 19:50 GMT

Think a moment: A moth is used to run a helicopter. Remember how moths are attracted to light? Right. The hacks who came to cover the event would attract Robo-Mothra with their camera flashes and it would be an unmitigated disaster. Plus, MechaMothra could only be used during the daytime.

Just hope they don't robotise the (im)famous... 

By LaeMi Qian
Posted Friday 9th November 2007 20:21 GMT
Alert

...Aussie bush fly.

what a crock 

By Rick Brasche
Posted Friday 9th November 2007 20:34 GMT
Thumb Down

by this logic, my car is a "cyborg". bug wiggles, machine follows. The bug is just the pilot. I guess the difference is whether or not the pilot is inserted into the device willingly?

That'd make all vehicles ever driven by conscript or drafted soldiers cyborgs or robots too.

The rat brains have it 

By E
Posted Friday 9th November 2007 23:18 GMT

Lester reported some time ago on IIRC an organic neural net grown from rat brain cells being used to control an aircraft. The rat brain cells apparently did well.

So, what would you rather have controlling your autonomous airborne weapons platform: a moth or a blastula of rat brain cells? I vote the rat.

Techevangelist 

By Chris Fleming
Posted Friday 9th November 2007 23:26 GMT
Alien

Help I'm mothless. Where am I? arrrhhh wot's the point...

I for one... 

By Ian Ferguson
Posted Sunday 11th November 2007 01:29 GMT
Coat

...welcome our new high-tech moth-brained robo-stomping mechanized overlords.

RubbishBot 

By Anonymous Coward
Posted Sunday 11th November 2007 04:22 GMT
Alert

I cannot fear the consequences of what these researchers are doing. Just look at that thing :-D

I see pieces from my old Mechano set, batteries held on by rubber bands, variously coloured bits of electrical tape, scraps of wood, and isn't that the poor old moth mounted on the end of a pencil with masking tape?

What began as a conflict... 

By Maksim Rukov
Posted Monday 12th November 2007 00:53 GMT
Coat

...over the transfer of consciousness from flesh to machine escalated into a research project which has decimated over a million Lego Mindstorm kits.

On an unrelated note, they should use moth brains in a new DARPA driverless vehicle challenge. Just make sure they can't turn on their hi-beams, otherwise there may be quite a few head-on collisions.

Enemy defence... 

By Anonymous Coward
Posted Monday 12th November 2007 02:19 GMT

...would be so easy if these things are given weapons and deployed. All they'd have to do is string up a bunch of those UV insect killers across the border.

<target sighted>

beep.

<target confirmed>

beep.

<pretty light>

be-what?

<pretty pretty ligh- kzzzeerrtt!>

damn.

we're the bot, not the moth (and why) 

By John Benson
Posted Monday 12th November 2007 04:50 GMT
Alert

Check out Dan Dennett's talk about memes, an updated take on ideas as viruses that infect us and then use us to replicate:

http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/116

At least the poor moth hasn't had his firmware messed with. We get ours tweaked all the time. Let's see, what day is it today? Are the Afghans our noble freedom-fighter allies against godless Roosky communists or are the Rooskies our noble allies against Afghan terrorists?

If we ever do replace the moth à la RoboCop, you can be sure that it will only be after some very heavy-duty "programming" (also eerily fortold in RoboCop). Until then, cultures and other systems will have to be content with replacing our natural powers of observation and reasoning with their favorite moths/memes in order to constrain and control our bodies/bots.

Kind of brings a new meaning to the word "debugging", doesn't it?

If they use this technology for house flies. . . 

By rasputinsDog
Posted Tuesday 13th November 2007 08:13 GMT
Pirate

then I'm gonna need a new flyswatter.

RoboFly:Drop it!

Me:This isn't a fly swatter. It just looks like one.

RoboFly: Dead or alive your food is mine!

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