That's the sound of a concept being stretched too far...

Why can't they stop when they make a good film (Terminator 2) they always have to go too far.

And where is the bloody Paris Hilton angle? :)

You all remember the eyeball-raping you received from Terminator 3?

"Terminator 3 writers John Brancato and Michael Ferris have already completed the Terminator Salvation screenplay...". Never mind lightning, looks like a big fat corporate c*ck can strike twice, three times, maybe even four.

Your last effort maimed the horse; please don't flog it to death.

This is going to be so terrible. The second in the trilogy will go straight to DVD and the third might end up as an unsuccessful television pilot. It'll be sold as an edgy reinvention of the Terminator franchise, as if the original was not edgy enough.

"Charlie's Angels director McG is hotly tipped to take the helm."

I can picture the opening credits in my head. The music will pound and roar, the title will mesh together with a big clanking noise, the director credit will come up, and the audience will burst into laughter.

He should appear as a guy caught by skynet and cloned for the first generation of terminators.

Rocky: The fight for Depends, or...

Terminator: The battle for WD-40?

What's next of washed up sequels?

Predator: Golf tournament...

The Paris Hilton angle is she will be the Sarah Conner type character, with Tinkerbelle as the killbot sniffing dog.

"He should appear as a guy caught by skynet and cloned for the first generation of terminators."

well, let's face it; he's far too fucked to actually play a Terminator anymore. it was questionable in the second one, laughable in the third.

All of this is on top of the new tv series 'The Sarah Connor Chronicles' which starts in the US next January. I downloaded the pilot and it looks ok.

The return of the sons of the Magnificent Seven ride again, The Sequel, meets Old Mother Riley, ll.

If they wanted to do a[nother] post-apocalyptic, man vs machines movie, why bother with the Terminator franchise? If they'd come up with some generic rip-off storyline, at least I wouldn't feel like my childhood dreams are being horrifically raped. The camp Arnie in T3 was bad enough, I shudder to think what outrages are still to come.

... Just goes to show what happens when hollywedge folk get desperate for money, writers probably picked up the comic books one day and thought they could spin more money out of the franchise without doing any work. There's enough comic books in the series to hack together a storyline without actually thinking of anything, give me a day or so, I'm sure I could write a triliogy of Terminator films of the same quality.

Who thinks that a telling of the part of the Terminator story that happens in the future is a good idea....?

Terminator 4-6 will almost ineveitably turn into Star Wars 1-3. They should leave well alone.

I imagine it'll be a load of old toss, and I agree with Ashley Pomeroy above and the likely to be very accurate title sequence.

Really? The Sarah Connor Chronicles? Really? Ugh...American TV makes me ashamed. Not as much as my President...but ashamed none the less.

It is impossible that the T-fest be as sloppy and cuddly as SW 1-3 was. If this is supposed to told from the Terminator side, it could be refreshingly devoid of useless love subplots. Cold, calculating machine is what it should be. None of the "but OHDOIWQ6732fi3r was my CPU-mate ! And now she's deactivated ! I will BRK/WAIT(2000000000000000) in dispair !" nonsense.

We just might have a true action film, could even be as good as Die Hard 2 or 3. No mushy scenes in those films. And I could concievably win €100 million next week in the EuroLottery.

Yeah, it's possible. Just not something you want to bet your future on.

Surely it's obvious? She will play the saviour of the human race after Skynet nearly wipes the humans out with a 10,000 strong platoon of PDA wielding SlingBots©, capable of throwing the latest in personal communications technology devices a distance of 17cB (or in prefered Vulture Central Standards, 3,927lg).

Paris Hilton will be the Jar-Jar Binks equivalent.

Will the US military have successfully made skynet before the movie comes out, because if they do we won't be subjected to the torture of watching it this time, hurray!

No Martin, telling the future part of the Terminator saga is a wonderful idea. It's just that with the same writers as T3, its garaunteed to be f*cked into a cocked hat.

Actually - as someone who has (legally) watched the pilot of Sarah Conner Chronicles, I think it could work.

It's pretty grim (including the bit that's now infamously been dropped from the pilot when the substitute teacher in school turns out to be a terminator) and gritty. Some tongue in cheek too though (thank the gods). Very cool time travel stuff from both sides - anyone can be prepared if they send agents back in time with enough years to build more time machines and resources.

Apparently they spent about $8m on the pilot - only a small jump more to having a film especially with the pace the pilot sets.

However the one sticking point is if they can keep up the plot quality. This could be the problem with the films too of course.

This is just a smokescreen isn't it. After all we already know that the machines are rising, what with the US building flying killbots, Samsung drones in the DMZ and giant 747-borne superlasers. Not to mention the hybrid army of cyborg parking wardens covered in cameras and sensors and their Taser-packing allies in the Police.

Far from being an action move, T4 will be a Michael Moore documentary about the shocking injustice suffered by the downtrodden automatons forced to war for the benefit of Boeing's shareholders. Not that anyone will watch it, of course, because we'll all be huddled up in deep caves where 3G signals don't penetrate.

>smacks himself on the forehead<

Didn't think of that Brent...

It would redeem it's self slightly, if The Paris angle was her being the first human ripped to shreds in the opening scene? Or if Arnie was to cameo as the human template for the Terminator and be a wimpy, blubbery, geek of a politician....

Nah.. getting to much into this now....

Where's my coat?

Well be lucky if the US armed forces has found there arse with two hands a map and a GPS by then. Skynet is far to sain for there R&D.

It seems the only time they come up with anything half good is when a crazy plan accualy works (Like the Blackbird, or the Stealth Bomber)

Terminator 4-6 vs Star Wars 1-3

By Yousef SyedPosted Wednesday 10th October 2007 14:26 GMT Paris

Hilton will be the Jar-Jar Binks equivalent.

Sorry Yousef people were asking what she would do in the movie.

As someone who got the comics 15 years ago, Terminator v Robocop was a plotline that interested me... but so did Aliens v Predator, and we know how that turned out :(

Oh and Arnie can't be cloned as a Terminator, because in the first movie Reese told Conner that the first series of Terminators had rubber skin and were easily spotted...

Oh God, I'll get my coat.

Hollywood does it again. And shoots itself in the foot by allowing the director of T3, the abomination, to direct the next 3.

Summer 2009. I can hardly wait.

http://www.wired.com/politics/security/multimedia/2007/10/gallery_uavs?slide=9&slideView=3

I think this has some promise, as long as the godawful McG isn't directing. The ending of T3 was the best part of the movie, the future war sequences have always been interesting so it'll be nice to see movies based on those. Arnie cameoing means they're not going to try putting him centre stage as a terminatior - I agree the best thing to get him there would be as a template for that model of terminator.

Of course, they could mess it up, big time. But, compared to the crop of big Hollywood fare recently, the concept alone is better than some entire movies.

Let me guess: the plot revolves around John Conner negotiating trade relations between SkyNet and the humans.

It's already here... and has been for some time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skynet_%28satellites%29

@ Misha:

now you also know how us Battlestar Galactica fans feel, about the new monkeypoo flingfest that the SciFi channed has grunted out.

At best it'll turn out like Matrix 2 & 3 - one movie painfully padded out to two in order to fleece us one more time.

Hollywood priorities:

1) Will it make money.

2) Will the merchandising make money.

3) Will it stop people seeing other studios' movies.

4) Will it allow us to make more money out of re-issuing the old movies.

5) ...etc

...

197) Will it make the original fans happy.

198) Will it be any good.

P.S. The film plot will revolve around who has the intellectual property rights to the original Terminator films. John Connor will argue that humans made the films, whilst Skynet will argue that, as the sole providor of all media content, the original human makers have surrendered their rights (did no one read Skynet's small print?).

"Skynet is far to sain for there R&D." argh, my eyes are bleeding... Skynet is far too sane for their R&D!

Tis a fair comment - but given the US history of shooting their own troops, why does it come as a surprise that an automated system for shooting their own troops might be in development?

" [ ... ] why bother with the Terminator franchise? If they'd come up with some generic rip-off storyline, at least I wouldn't feel like my childhood dreams are being horrifically raped. [ ... ] "

Waittaminnit! Most people's childhood dreams are of being an astronaut, popstar or footballer when they grow up, or of falling in love and getting married, or changing the world for the better. Your childhood dream was to hope that the entire human race would be slaughtered by artificially intelligent killing machines who travel back in time? You're weird!

But on the other hand, if you ever wrote it down, you've probably got a good copyright claim for back-royalties on the entire series. Hang on, maybe you aren't quite so crazy after all....!

Hollywood is addicted to overselling. For them marketing is about raising expectations to an impossibly high level for a quick cash in.

People see a good movie, but because they lead to believe it was going to be one of the greatest movies ever, they leave profoundly disappointed.

The key to enjoying movies is not to buy into the hype.

Right now my expectations are for the new movies to provide nothing more than great action and greater special effects, but with a tired unoriginal plot.

I will probably leave the theater happy, while other people are complaining about how it wasn't as good as the first two.

for a start, I've learned that when Terminator models start getting past their prime and have to be replaced by newer models, they actually age like real humans as well - living skin outer camouflage begins to wrinkle and get pouchy, mechanical muscles turn to flab and internal components shift around...

If Skynet could get them to fart, belch and blob out on the couch stuffing their faces with junk food, watching pay-per-view and scratching their nuts we'd never suspect it was really a lethal killing machine.

Sheesh, we'd be fucked then.

Battlestar Galactica - watched the pilot. 'Nuff said

Charlies Angels - rolls eyes

The Brady Bunch - refused to see

The Bionic Woman...without Steve Austin, the $6M Man? Are you kidding?

Predator went two movies too long (should have ended with the first)

Aliens should have stopped with the second

Terminator should have stopped with the second

Star Wars.... not going there.

Superman should have ended at #2

Batman should have ended at #3 (okay, I do like Robin, but...until Christian Bale...should not have been touched)

Where are the original ideas in Hollywood? Can we do nothing but retreads?

"I won't be back"

I've wanted to see a future battle, it's the obvious choice for the next film.

"Oh and Arnie can't be cloned as a Terminator, because in the first movie Reese told Conner that the first series of Terminators had rubber skin and were easily spotted..."

Must have super human intelligence in the future, personally when I see a 6 foot tall rubber trojan with a plasma rifle it its hands I invite him in for tea.

The last of the 2nd of 3 (last of the 2nd trilogy of a Kachina of 3 trilogies) could be a rip of Saberhagen's _Brother Assasin_.

If we install enough machine bits in ourselves, and they install enough wetware bits in themselves, we converge on... being the same. Mudball's getting crowded, but I'll meet you there anyway.

Ooh look! a liquid memory metal, vibrator with artificial inteligence. Wish I could have some.

Predator: Golf tournament...

Didn't EA Games do that one a while back? One of there better ones for EA.

Cynar

Surely the PHA is that she becomes the saviour of the human race by bravely giving her body up as a sperm bank to preserve a wide variety of human DNA ?

</hat-coat-exit>

A clone of a clone of a clone , how truly unoriginal can you get ?

Wow these Hollywood writers are truly scraping the bottom of the barrel for this insipid stupidity so I guess the combined IQ of these wankers would not even reach two digits!

> Why can't they stop when they make a good film (Terminator 2) they always

> have to go too far.

Because the test screeners hated the good ending (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminator_2#Versions_of_the_film, I recall hearing on a TV show that the good ending was ditched because of poor response from the test screeners).

Yes, It's Virginia's fault. Had they been happy with the good ending, there won't be any more Terminator movies after T2.

That'd be too edgy for EA - they only do franchises now. It'd have to be Predator: Golf tournament 4 before they'll even look at it.

Why make a new Terminator ?

They wasted it when they made the third. The Original 2 Terminators kicked ass and as per usual sequals are wasted with little boys new in the film industry who have nothing better to do than rip the pish out of orginal and classic movies.

To hell with the new Terminator !

With regards,

S-MC

but it has Summer Glau in it so I doubt I will be paying any attention to the plot!

Well Skynet as you're reading this and no doubt smiling electronically to yourself. Have you got a comment to say about all of this?

Some of T3 actually worked. The concept worked, and some of the plotting dovetailed with T1 and T2 rather cleverly to fill the holes left in those.

But the direction was lousy (having the whole film done in daylight completely erased the grittiness of the previous ones), the script was mostly dreadful, the Terminatrix was a stupidly overpowered opponent which had to behave unrealistically (why jump on top of a car and try to get them with your bare hands, if you've got a laser rifle up your sleeve?), and the fight scenes were plain dumb.

So yes, this will likely join SW3 and both Matrix sequels as big-budget films I've managed to avoid.

Steve Ballmer and his crack team of assault lawyers manage to convince Skynet that it's in violation of 235 MS patents, causing it to shut itself down rather than sign a cross-licensing deal.

My thoughts exactly. The glimpse of the future offered in the written screenplay for T2 was very cool, I seem to remember scenes in the Terminator factory with hundreds of each model (Arnie, fit bird, etc) on the Skynet production line.

Shame it will be done by retards.

Reason why they really make all these sequels to everything from Terminator to Matrix or franchise movies from Fantastic Four to the Spiderman and Batman and million others is simple: You invest $50 - 100 million on movie, you really, really want to get the money back.

Four most certain ways to make the money back are:

A) make a sequel to a box-office hit. Something that made money first time and created an audience that will go and see the second runner. like Police Academy or Terminator or Matrix.

B) Make a movie about something already famous, like TV-show, or comicbook character (Charlie's Angels, Fantastic Four etc.).

C) Make a re-make of an old box-office hit.

D) Use a super-star. Either director like Tarantino and few others or world class leading man/woman. But even these tank sometimes, so even this is rarely used anymore.

There are thousands of good scripts bought by Paramount, MGM, Dreamworks etc. each year. They are hidden into huge files as they are usually paper copies and there they stay, until the world ends or CGI makes photorealism affordable on full legth movies.

That's the problem with cloning from clones - you get replicative fading (ala ST:TNG episode which I cannot remember the title off but which does include Riker saying the line "Send in the Clones" I believe)

<hat/coat/bye...>

I get the feeling there's going to be a very large James Cameron-shaped hole in this production. Without him directing, this upcoming raft of titles featuring psychotic killing machines with rich, Germanic accents is likely to be an entirely limp affair, with none of the intensity and balls-out action of the first two.

I mean, the nutter also directed The Abyss and Aliens - the latter of which still has the capacity to scare the living piss out of me to this day.

Also, action movies like this aren't gory and violent enough these days. Hollywood chumps realised the age of people who could afford to go to the cinema was going down, so they started making movies that would at least scrape a 12 certificate (I'm from the UK, films are classified a bit differently) or be guaranteed a 15 so as to capture the largest possible audience.

So what we've ended up with are tame shit-flicks like T3 and AVP that reel in the kids, and piss off the grown-ups.

Think back to the '80s and early '90s, when going to the movies was something adults did more often, then think of the frankly awesome violent action movies we had:

Aliens

Terminator

Robocop

Total Recall

Lethal Weapon

Die Hard

Commando

First Blood, and all the Rambo stuff

Predator

Mad Max films

Universal Soldier

Under Siege

Anything featuring Chuck Norris

And those are just the ones I can remember off the top of my head.

@Nick, you are right.

But second problem arising from this never ending search of audience is unisex-movies. There must be a love-intrest in the movie in interestin for both genders. Even war movies!

Can you imagine, what would happen, if they would take The Longest Day and remake it today? Every single one of the main characters would have a girl (or at least one girl per two characters) and then there would be endless parade of kissing scenes and heartbreak and betrayal. Damn movie would be truly 24 hours experience and half of it placed in rural Kansas.

I notice a couple of comments having a bash at the new BSG series and wanted to put a stop to it. Are you mad? The recent Battlestar Galactica shown on sci-fi channel has been a refreshing gritty science fiction in the face of a lack of good sci fi recently. Star Trek Enterprise anyone? urrrgh. *gag*

Do we really believe that Arnie lives and the Bush baby is anything other than Java jumping ... its just another day at the Movies guys ... really !

YES!

LOVIN IT!!!!