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Comments on: Motorbike crash man fails to notice loss of leg

And he didn't notice his rear brake wasn't working? 

Posted Tuesday 14th August 2007 11:06 GMT

The rear brake is operated by the right foot and one would normally use it, surely he'd have noticed he wasn't slowing down as fast as normal?

Not noticing 

Posted Tuesday 14th August 2007 11:14 GMT

Presumably he might have twigged something was afoot (or not - sorry) by his inability either to apply the back brake, or change gears...

Groan 

Posted Tuesday 14th August 2007 11:37 GMT

He was clearly legless when it happened.

Probably full of Kawa-saki.

That's what happens when you 'put the foot down'.

He obviously was in knee'd of help.

Did they breath test him 

Posted Tuesday 14th August 2007 11:40 GMT

It sounds to me as if the police should of breath tested him, as he was obvioulsly legless

Bootnotes 

Posted Tuesday 14th August 2007 11:41 GMT

This certainly falls into the Bootnotes category

FYI, the leg was too much damaged so they weren't able to attach it again...

Groan II 

Posted Tuesday 14th August 2007 11:42 GMT

Was he riding a 'chopper'?

I guess he had... 

Posted Tuesday 14th August 2007 11:47 GMT

...chop suey. *boom boom* /Basil Brush

Meanwhile:

The boy stood on the burning deck

He lips were all a quiver

A gust of wind

His leg blew off

And floated down the river

So? 

Posted Tuesday 14th August 2007 11:50 GMT

- 2km on a bike is not that far, especially if moving at limb-severing speeds

- yes, it is amazing what your brain will do to keep you from passing out

- lets hope they were able to put it back on, that's not exactly an easy procedure

Groan III 

Posted Tuesday 14th August 2007 11:54 GMT

Sure it's not an urban leg-end?

Someone who never uses his rear brake... 

Posted Tuesday 14th August 2007 12:06 GMT

Most motorcycles have independent front and rear brakes. The fronts are controlled by the right (throttle hand) and the rear by the right foot (on most bikes - old Brit bikes have the rear on the left foot). 90 odd percent of your braking comes from the front anyway but this guy obviously didn't use his rear...

I once heard a story of a guy (who was dying of fatal disease and so was rather nuts when he rode) who once got hit by a car. He came off his bike; Stood up; Walked down the road; Picked something up off the road; Went to the car driver who was now parked up and shaking; And waving his now separated thumb which he'd collect from the road said "Look what you bl**dy did!". He then got on his bike and road off...

Poor jokes 

Posted Tuesday 14th August 2007 12:20 GMT

Some of these comments have really gone out on a limb to be funny...

Burning deck part II 

Posted Tuesday 14th August 2007 12:24 GMT

The girl stood on the burning deck,

the ship was all in bits,

She gave a cough,

Her leg fell off,

And so did both her elbows ..... boom booom

Arrived at the junction... 

Posted Tuesday 14th August 2007 12:46 GMT

I think some of your correspondents are missing the point about being able to operate the rear brake, the article clearly says "He clocked his loss when he subsequently arrived at a junction". It appears as though a zealous editor may have removed Lester Haines further comments of, "... and raced through it at 100 mph".

Was his failure to operate the rear-break what caused him to "clock his loss"?

Burning deck part III 

Posted Tuesday 14th August 2007 12:49 GMT

We lay along the riverbank,

My hands were all a quiver,

I gently undid her suspender belt,

And her leg fell in the river!

I've been dating Heather Mills....

Brakes. 

Posted Tuesday 14th August 2007 12:53 GMT

Er, many modern machines have the rear brake linked to the front, so the operation of the hand lever (front brake for non-bikers) automatically operates the rear as well. It's only for occasions when you want rear only that you need to use your foot. Maybe that's when he noticed.......

TeeCee

Burning deck part lll 

Posted Tuesday 14th August 2007 13:00 GMT

The boy sat on the burning deck

His feet were in the water.

Longfellow

Groan IV - The Return 

Posted Tuesday 14th August 2007 13:07 GMT

I say it's thigh time someone did something about those dangerous medians. If the civil engineers had calf a brain they'd have made them safer.

Do you think his bike got toed home?

It just says he was a 'Company man' - I suppose that if he worked in the insurance business, the shoe is on the other foot now.

Even if he gets back to riding after losing that limb, he won't be half the man Alex Zanardi is.

And finally, even though he rode more than a mile after clipping the barrier, it was still only about one foot away...

I'll be here all week.

Noticing 

Posted Tuesday 14th August 2007 13:14 GMT

Or maybe he went to support the bike with his right leg and it tipped over. Adding insult to injury... :-/

Marcus Haas' comment... 

Posted Tuesday 14th August 2007 13:15 GMT

Marcus, bike riders rarely use the rear brake unless really necessary. Most of the brake power is on the front wheel. Any biker worth his salt knows this.

Stopping 

Posted Tuesday 14th August 2007 13:20 GMT

As mentioned before most breaking is being done with the handlever, however when you stop you tend to use your right leg to support the bike as opposed to the left one which you use for switching gears.

So if he found out that way I`m sure it must have been quite a peculiar sensation not to mention a shock to suddenly notice the bike tilting a lot further to the right then expected.

Obligatory Python... 

Posted Tuesday 14th August 2007 13:20 GMT

'tis but a scratch!

Rear brake 

Posted Tuesday 14th August 2007 13:36 GMT

I rarely use the rear brake (right foot), and then mainly for low-speed manouvers. And if he was going down a motorway he quite possibly didn't need to change gear (left foot).

I suspect he arrived at the junction and tried to do one of the above, or (more potential for amusement) stopped and tried to put his foot down.

Reminds me of a story I heard. The storyteller was pulling up at a junction, behind another biker. The other guy stopped, and promptly toppled over. He helped him up, and the embarrassed biker explained that he'd been riding with a sidecar for years, but had just removed it, and kept forgetting to put his foot down.

Re: Brakes 

Posted Tuesday 14th August 2007 13:44 GMT

"Er, many modern machines have the rear brake linked to the front".

Okay, so he didn't need his right foot for breaking. But, what happened when he reached the junction? He'll need to put at least one foot on the ground. If he left his left foot on the gear shift ready for a quick getaway then he found out about the missing appendage when the bike fell over.

Waterloo 

Posted Tuesday 14th August 2007 13:57 GMT

Uxbridge: By God, Sir, I've lost my leg.

Wellington: By God, Sir, so you have!

Erm... Stefan 

Posted Tuesday 14th August 2007 15:14 GMT

"bike riders rarely use the rear brake unless really necessary. Most of the brake power is on the front wheel. Any biker worth his salt knows this."

Erm... maybe *YOU* only use your front brake, but the Institute of Advanced Motorcyclists and ANY Police rider would tell you otherwise.

His mates 

Posted Tuesday 14th August 2007 16:46 GMT

A few things thoughts on this report:

1) How did the guy pick up his bike after the crash? Obviously has a good sense of balance and a strong leg (the one still attached).

2) How did his mates not notice his accident? I guess they must have been in front when it happened and he caught them up (presumably at the junction). His mates must have been wusses.

3) If he did catch his mates up he must have been going at a fair clip and possibly getting his knee down!

Reminds Me Of A True Story 

Posted Tuesday 14th August 2007 16:54 GMT

When I were a lad we were out one day and stopped at a set of traffic lights. Dual carriageway so no surprise when an old git came up on a motorbike to the side of us.

He stopped gracefully enough, and then fell over. Naturally we helped him to his feet, when we were told that he had taken the sidecar off the bike that morning....

Blood loss 

Posted Tuesday 14th August 2007 17:15 GMT

Losing your leg below the knee would result in massive blood loss. I'd be surprised if he hadn't fallen off the bike in another minute or so. Traumatic amputation requires immediate attention.

Do we have verification from an independent source? I'm not calling bullshit, just a little skeptical.

Dear oh dear 

Posted Tuesday 14th August 2007 19:05 GMT

There are some woeful comments on here. Use your right foot to balance at a junction? Wrong. Keep your right foot on the brake, illuminating the brake light so people don't crash into the back of you thinking you're moving. Also, when people pass you on the right you won't get your foot crushed. You leave it in 1st gear so you don't need a foot on the gears for a "quick getaway".

Sheesh!

re: Dear oh dear 

Posted Wednesday 15th August 2007 01:01 GMT

IANAB but...

"Keep your right foot on the brake, illuminating the brake light so people don't crash into the back of you thinking you're moving"

does the brake (hand) lever not do that?

"Also, when people pass you on the right you won't get your foot crushed."

how far out are you sticking your leg?

woudnt they take out a mirror with them? (that they could presumably see)

you are in a lane, arent you?

leg gone I guess 

Posted Wednesday 15th August 2007 03:39 GMT

I tracked this down from reuters

"The man and his leg were taken to a hospital, but the limb had been crushed in the collision, the paper said."

OK what paper if the guardian got this from reuters I think

they have all been duped anyone speak japanese and read

Tokyo newspapers.

Anyway

if Reuters can be believed and many times it can't he didn't get

his leg sewed back on. Reuters stories all seem a little flakey.

You missed one! 

Posted Wednesday 15th August 2007 08:46 GMT

What's Japanese for "I'll take you to hospital, hop on the back"?

I'll get my coat...

re: re: Dear oh dear 

Posted Wednesday 15th August 2007 12:39 GMT

Actually, he's right. When I was taught (1999) I was taught to keep the right foot on the brake when stopped for three reasons:

1) illuminate brake light

2) if you ARE rammed, you are less likely to end up beneath the rammer than if your front brake was on

3) it keeps your right leg out of the way of any cars that may be beside you. When stopping at junctions and lights, many bikers filter to the front of the queue in which case they are NOT in a lane.

If riding to the book (possibly not, as his riding led to a crash barrier!!!), he wouldn't have noticed until he stopped and went to put the bike into 1st or neutral... falling over, as a consequence OUCH!

Japan drives on the correct side of the road, so the same logic would apply there as here in Blighty. :-P

Groan V 

Posted Wednesday 15th August 2007 13:37 GMT

I wonder if he'll try to sue the hospital for failing to re-attach it? If so, I don't think he'll have a leg to stand on.

Back brakes. 

Posted Wednesday 15th August 2007 23:48 GMT

I don't know how many of the commenters are bike drivers, I am one, and I would guess that a large number of the commenters who *are* bikers would be riding a chopper (seems to be a US favourite) instead of a performance bike, which the poor sod (being nipponese) would have been riding. So... a few comments:

Any idiot who uses his front brakes to stop on a performance bike from speeds is asking to tip ass-over-feet. You use your back brakes to slow down and only bring in your fronts to increase the deceleration power if you have to. Period. Use your fronts for any other reason (or even have your fingers on the lever) and you'll get a dressing down from most Advance Riders teachers 'round here.

Back brakes serve a secondary purpose on a performance bike - if you need to take a corner at speeds, you lightly use your rear brakes on the start of the corner - this causes a slight lengthening (I'll skip the actual physics and use Pterry's patented "lies to children") of the base of the bike which helps in leaning the bike into the turn.

And you use your LEFT foot to steady the bike when stopped. The reason? That's also the side the kickstand is positioned on performance bikes (can't speak for choppers), so the bike naturally leans in that direction when you get on/get off it. Also, since you're supposed to have ALREADY down-shifted to first gear while stopping, you do not need your left foot while taking off... while you might need your brakes NOW because some f*kwit in a SUV didn't stop at the lights.

Suspicious story 

Posted Thursday 16th August 2007 03:43 GMT

Hmmm.. Man doesn't notice missing leg..? Pull the other one...

Me Stupid... 

Posted Thursday 16th August 2007 05:52 GMT

That should read "bike rider" and not "biker driver", of course. Which is why I should NEVER post a comment before my first 250ml of caffeine for the day.

Performance braking 

Posted Thursday 16th August 2007 16:42 GMT

If you are riding a performance bike in the dry and going at a decent speed you have to use the front brake to make use of the braking power available.

If you just/mainly use the back break you'll skid because there isn't any weight transfer to the back wheel when you're braking. If you use the front brake it transfers weight through the forks and onto the front tyre increasing its contact patch and pressing it into the road. I've been riding (mostly performance bikes) for 15+ years and could point to other evidence to support this (e.g. bigger twin brake disks and more powerful calipers on the front).

Just watch Rossi, Stoner and Co in MotoGP. When you see them braking for a corner you will see their forks compress and the back tyre occassionally leaving the tarmac.

I always thought the reason for using the back brake when you're nearly stationary was because it's less likely to unbalance you when the gyroscopic effect of the wheels aren't in play. The rear brake doesn't cause front fork compression which might unbalance you.

Anyway, that's an aside (the whole thing about him noticing his missing leg when he stops). If the story is true how did he not notice when he had to pick his bike up to ride off in the first place? (he might even have had to hop over to it if he was thrown off inthe accident).

Knew his sister... 

Posted Friday 17th August 2007 03:45 GMT

...she only had one leg. Was a real pushover %-)

Hat...coat...door

What did the japanese biker say to his mate? 

Posted Friday 17th August 2007 21:23 GMT

Your left leg's fine, I've got nothing against your left leg.

The trouble is...

Ganbare Osada-san! 

Posted Sunday 19th August 2007 03:20 GMT

That stuff about not noticing; think about Anakin whatsisname going through an obstacle (what -is- that traffic feature? He did survive the collision...traffic moving amain I imagine...) on a land speeder or whatever those things are; If you do not forsee things, forget 'em!

Our budding physician will be pleased to know that thanks to sinuses and other soft tissue features in the knee, as well as arterial oculi and the effect of a headwind on clotting, a biker can do that a bunch of times. The shin having been raptured by traffic is of course a grave failing among hosiers to bikers.

You have been watching the cinema releases of _The Girl Who Leapt Through Time_, right? This man is 56; of course he leaps forwards as accords his age. Moreover since he is a mature biker he stands a good chance of getting a right prototype pattern rather than the novice practice of just stubbing it in.

Those biker transhumanists are tough guys.

Hang in there Kazuo!

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