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Comments on ‘China to map 'every inch' of the moon’There's Helium-3 in them thar hillsPublished Friday 10th August 2007 12:20 GMT
Long-term solution?By Funkster
Posted Friday 10th August 2007 12:31 GMT
Sounds very much like there will be the same problems as we're currently facing with oil - at some point in the distant future, the easily-mined Helium-3 will have been used up by an increasingly power-hungry collection of 'developed' nations, and energy prices will take another hike skyward. Only we'd be leaching all this material from the Moon, so that's okay... Colaboration needed...By John Stag
Posted Friday 10th August 2007 12:35 GMT
This is the sort of thing where the world should be working together not trying to make a profit. He3 could really bring about the sort of energy supply we were promised in the 1950s - "clean, safe, too cheap to meter". So....By Paul
Posted Friday 10th August 2007 12:43 GMT
They'll find an American flag and a lunar buggy there, right ? China! F*ck Yeah !By Steve
Posted Friday 10th August 2007 12:47 GMT
Go China. Make NASA and ESA look like the timid little space mice they are! Of course, now the control of future energy sources is on the table, see how quickly the USA develops an interest. Cracking stuff ! Perhaps the space race is due to kick off again, in which case, hoorah for the Red Chinee ! Best news all week. Weight?By Joe Blogs
Posted Friday 10th August 2007 12:58 GMT
Is that 5 million tons earth weight ot lunar weight? 3 phases?By Mike Brown
Posted Friday 10th August 2007 13:02 GMT
i really hope there isnt a long time between phase 2 and 3 Helium-3 NonsenseBy David Woods
Posted Friday 10th August 2007 13:14 GMT
Physics World (August 2007) did a nice debunking of this. In summery: The Deuterium-Tritium reaction is x100 faster than the Deuterium-Helium3... If we assume a Tokomak reactor, two Deuterium atoms will fuse to form Tritium and a proton relatively rapidly, thus providing the fuel for the rapid Deuterium-Tritium reaction. So the Deuterium-Helium3 might be cleaner, but how do you achieve it exclusively or even as the dominant process? Or perhaps the even slower Helium3-Helium3. Not even ITER will generate the heat needed to break even on that, never mind commercial generation. Inertia confinement perhaps? But with such a slow reaction what would the parameters of such a machine be? So what is the point of mining the moon for Helium-3? Wishing my life awayBy Ashley Pomeroy
Posted Friday 10th August 2007 13:23 GMT
"The country's space programme is split into three phases - the first is "circling the Moon", the second "landing on the Moon", and the third "returning to Earth"." Obviously this is about robot exploration. Nonetheless, if I was a Chinese astronaut - and I am not - I would be a little wary of any plan couched in those terms. I would want to make sure that the final part of the plan is in place before the first two parts. And put like that, conquering the moon seems very much like making love to a beautiful woman. First you have to establish an orbit; then you have to place a lunar module on a flat piece of ground near to an interesting crater; and then you have to return to Earth. Very similar. Oh goodie...By Matthew
Posted Friday 10th August 2007 13:28 GMT
Does this mean we will get to see the lunar rovers and all the other stuff left behind by the Apollo missions (or err is there actually nothing there because the Americans never walked on the moon?) Ah-ha!By Anonymous Coward
Posted Friday 10th August 2007 13:29 GMT
"on the Moon, the total amount of Helium-3 can reach one to five million tons.." ..so *that's* why the moon doesn't fall to the ground. I always wondered. David Niven was right. The moon is indeed a balloon. HmmmBy Ken Hagan
Posted Friday 10th August 2007 13:38 GMT
That infallible source, Wikipedia, states that Helium-3 is present in the lunar regolith at about 1 part in a hundred million. It also states that the Helium is present because the solar wind has blown it in, so we're talking about a fairly even distribution rather than occasional rich seams of Helium-3-bearing rock. So to harvest that 100 tons of Helium-3, the Chinese are going to have to chew their way through 10 billions tons of rock per year. That's several cubic kilometres even if the extraction process is totally efficient. Are there any mining engineers reading this who could care to comment on the viability of this proposal? Umm....By Anonymous Coward
Posted Friday 10th August 2007 13:41 GMT
Let's hope they get the "return to Earth" part right before they attempt the "land on the Moon" part, or the whole thing could turn very embarrassing very quickly. I'm not volunteering for phase 2By SImon Hobson
Posted Friday 10th August 2007 13:47 GMT
>> The country's space programme is split into three phases - the first is "circling the Moon", the second "landing on the Moon", and the third "returning to Earth". Pity the poor scmuck who gets stuck on the moon at phase 2 and has to wait until phase 3 happens ! SheeshBy Andrew Moore
Posted Friday 10th August 2007 13:51 GMT
I'd hate to be a Chinese astronaut during phase 2... plans...By Henry Gomersall
Posted Friday 10th August 2007 14:05 GMT
1. Circle moon 2. Land on moon 3. ? 4. Generate huge amounts of energy to sell to the world. They missed a step...By Alastair Smith
Posted Friday 10th August 2007 14:25 GMT
1. Fly them to the moon. PROLBy Dan
Posted Friday 10th August 2007 14:39 GMT
People's Republic Of Lunar !!!! Personally I don't really see China getting to the moon and exploiting it before NASA does. Not unless they really push themselves all out. But Im sure they'll well and truly exploit it for themselves and ignore the International agreements regarding space being for everyone and under UN jurisdiction so as to ensure fair use. Conspiracy theorists dreamBy Andy S
Posted Friday 10th August 2007 15:11 GMT
If this meticulous mapping of the moon turns up no traces of a previous landing they're going to love it The Reg - 10th August 12,015By Ryan
Posted Friday 10th August 2007 17:10 GMT
"Scientists are worried that Helium-3 supplies might soon run out" "USA to send troops to Moon to 'liberate' people of Lunaghistan" "Paris Hilton's head's 257th-Gen iPhone stolen" China's plansBy Dillon Pyron
Posted Friday 10th August 2007 17:18 GMT
Lucy, I've bookmarked this page. I'll come back to it in 2012. It took the most technologically advanced country in the world 7 years to get to the moon once its plans were fired up. Of course, America doesn't have the will to do that again. If there's a fight....By Daniel
Posted Friday 10th August 2007 17:27 GMT
I can see a fight happening for resources. 5-15 million tons usually means 1 million tons really there, and only 500 thousand easily "mined". And going through 100 tons a year is a number I see growing exponentially... did we not learn from oil? Oh well, atleast it gets us off out rear ends and out to space for future R&D (I approve!) The only thing is, if we do fight, I hope we keep the fight in space. If you want a piece of the moon, so be it, blast eachother in space. If you want it on land, well, you're 100 years too late. He3 Nonsense? No...By Bill Neal
Posted Friday 10th August 2007 19:00 GMT
It's all about radiation. Excessive neutron radiation causes fusion reactors (using current technology) to destroy themselves. They can only run for several seconds, and it takes more power to start the reaction than you can harvest out of it. Why do you think there is no fusion power on the market today? Beijing, get your brollies up!By Morely Dotes
Posted Friday 10th August 2007 21:57 GMT
I just talked to Mike, and he said that anyone trying to steal the wealth of the Lunies will be on the receiving end of a bunch of thrown rocks. It's only a pretext .By Anonymous Coward
Posted Saturday 11th August 2007 12:43 GMT
The cunning Chinese, who sell cheap clothing to mass-produce advanced weaponry, are about to go on a mission to the Moon to install a few nuclear base . Then, they will return to Earth after a few years and proudly declare : all your base are belong to us . No, the CTs won't be movedBy Stuart Van Onselen
Posted Monday 13th August 2007 10:12 GMT
Several jokers or lunatics (pardon the pun) have made quips about whether this mapping process will discover the remains of the 6 (yes, Virginia, there were more than one) lunar landings to date. So what? Even if they do capture shots of the rovers or lander remains (those flags disintegrated decades ago due to UV radiation), no-one will change his mind. Those who know that humans landed there will still know it. And the Conspiracy Theorists will handwave it away, the same way that they handwave away the fact that the USSR could have exposed the supposed fakery at any time by virtue of their radio tracking capabilities. What use is Helium-3?By David Woods
Posted Monday 13th August 2007 10:31 GMT
"It's all about radiation. Excessive neutron radiation causes fusion reactors (using current technology) to destroy themselves." Maybe the hundreds of nuclear physicists who worked at/for JET and soon ITER know they are wasting their time... Or maybe your belief that the neutron issue is unsolvable isn't shared. What reaction are you proposing to use? H3-H3? Can you elaborate on how you might achieve it? the Chinese phasesBy Dave
Posted Thursday 16th August 2007 00:10 GMT
Surely the Chinese have their lunar phases wrong – isn’t it New, Gibbous and Full? When the moon gets down really small they can push the American landing capsules off one of the pointy ends – something that might not occur to the ordinary mind, but I’m sure they’re on it. H3-H3By Ron Russman
Posted Friday 17th August 2007 18:48 GMT
This is the kind of thing that is too important to miss. This reaction has already been done with electrostatic forces in a small reactor at the University of Wisconsin. 3He+3He > 2protons + 4He yields 12.9 MeV that is a higher yield than the other reactions. I'll bet some folks are very busy on this now. The period for commenting on this story has finished |
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