"No German input: could need a surrender button"

C'mon! You can rise above stuff like this! (Or maybe not.)

Having just read Lewis Page's excellent article, I must say at first I was surprised by,then just accepted, the fact that this country seems to be lagging behind in almost everything save demoralising the population,and hastening the demise of what was once world class Amed Forces. I was, at first, amazed that France, who show so little appeteite to support any but their own interests, should be involved in this. Then it became clear that getting wars fought (whether won or lost is immaterial) by robotic soldiers or aircraft is a real vote winner. Very few people (in the military, that is.) will die. Expensive yes, but much easier to knock out a squadron of UAVs on the production line, than pop in to Pilots;r Us and buy a squadron of fighter pilots,( with WOs/EOs as optional extras. )

Not that this country has lacked the expertise. In the 20s and 30s we had the Tiger Moth Queen Bee. a droned aircraft which could fly by radio control, and the aim of which was to give the gunners of our (then large!) fleet target practice. It could only fly gentle banks and turns,and was strictly radio controlled, but it was advanced for that period.

The 50s saw amore advanced set up of a pilotless Canberra bomber able to be remotely piloted in much the same style. We have never been short of drone technology, but this is a far cry from the on board decision making ability of todays UAVs. Thee Israelis are well uip in the field,having used these robotic aircraft to good effect on defence supression missions many times. As is so often the caes the USA has advanced beyond most in the field, so it would seem. The Germans had it first with command guidance missiles with an air launch capability in WW2, but having come second in that one, are now very last year. (A lot of wooly headed cardigan wearing weird politicos in government have done them no favours either.)So, I would say that if this Euro-UAV is on the drawing board, it will be there for many years to come. Eurofighter is hardly living up to what is claimed for it on the box. Plus, with the current Franco German thinking on getting involved in a SHOOTING war, it is highly unlikely that it will ever fly in a bad mood, let alone anger. And to those who worry aboput Asimov's "Three Laws of robotics " getting in the way, no problemo! Just don't programme the little suckers, and let 'em do their thing. R2D2 it ain't!

Is surely the reason why *** inhabitted ***combat jets are history no matter how much the top gun maffia would like it otherwise.

Good to see the cheese eating surrender monkeys are still behind the game.

6 Dec 2006, media releases from several sources

"The MoD has just awarded a BAE Systems led team, which includes QinetiQ, Rolls-Royce and Smiths Aerospace, a £124 million jointly funded MoD and UK industry programme, to develop a world-class UAV (Unmanned Air Vehicle) ‘Technology Demonstrator’ project called ‘Taranis’. "

I particularly like the new level of imagination in names by MoD - Taranis = Celtic God of Thunder. What sort of wimpy name is "Neuron"?

In fairness to BAe (yes I know it's unfashionable) they've actually been quite a lot of work at their own expense and been a tad coy about it.

Nobody lives on a plane, do they? Not one that flies, at any rate, although I seem to recall some scrapped airliners being used as "houses". Political correctness being completely daft again... but as I recall, that particular idiocy has been dumped anyway, in favour of "remotely piloted" or "autonomously piloted", since "unmanned" or the euphemisms for it were giving the RotM worriers too much fuel.

I think El Reg owes it to the NRA to be honest about these flying killbots.

"Good to see the cheese eating surrender monkeys are still behind the game.

6 Dec 2006, media releases from several sources"

Fun to see that the french still get the "quick let's surrender" joke, when more than half the US is against W's war in irak...

But then, we all know the mighty american are better than everyone else... at electing the wrong people...

Has anyone forgotten acoustic homing torpedoes? Cruise missiles? Even old fashioned mechanical torpedoes were killer robots - In any of those, you input directions (program), then send them on their way, to kill (or not kill) under their own power, with no further input. For the homing weapons, they did their own data processing, tracked their own targets, and prosecuted their attacks autonomously. In fact, you had to be darn careful with the homing torpedoes, that the fish didn't decide that *you* were a nice juicy target, and score an own-goal.

So, OK, flying French killbots... Nothing particularly ground-breaking there.

"Furthermore, Neuron is a Stealth plane; its development will give European designers who haven't any access with the USA an opportunity to learn the ins and outs of radar-invisibility. "

Errr, you *do* know better than that, don't you ? Many european countries have developped radar image reduction techniques, mostly in the Navy, by the way ...

Of all the public info on that, you may check http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread281932/pg1

How delightfully inflammatory of you. I'm wondering in what warped reality the US population's opinion on Iraq (it's spelled with a "q", by the way) is in any way relevant to the French making a stealth UCAV.

In the 1800's, more than half the population of the southern states believed slavery was perfectly acceptable. Ever hear the phrase "what's right isn't always popular, and what's popular isn't always right"??