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All right! 

Posted Wednesday 6th June 2007 15:49 GMT

Remind me of this when they release the Glenfiddich variant :-p

exempt from booze taxation... 

Posted Wednesday 6th June 2007 16:01 GMT

... for about 3 seconds probably.

Alcoholic Powder? 

Posted Wednesday 6th June 2007 16:02 GMT

So what happens if you snort it?

Doubles or Trebles (or morebles) 

Posted Wednesday 6th June 2007 16:18 GMT

I'm no scientist or anything, but am I right in assuming you can bung two, three or more sachets into the same glass of water to increase the strength?

Sounds good to me :-D Probably tastes like sh*t though :-(

SubYou...? 

Posted Wednesday 6th June 2007 16:20 GMT

Is this really any different from the old Subyou stuff (released in 2004, I believe).

And I'm still dubious about the claims of tax exemption and that "Because the alcohol is not in liquid form, we can sell it to people below 16."

The alcohol *is* liquid -- ethanol is and always will be liquid at room temperature and as Scotty said "ye cannae break the laws of physics". What's happening here is that another ingredient simply acts as a sponge, holding the (liquid) alcohol in place until some water is added to to release it. In the UK the duty is on the physical volume of alcohol, and I believe it is similar on the continent.

So I believe the stuff will be completely covered by existing alcohol legislation.

Eh? 

Posted Wednesday 6th June 2007 16:28 GMT

"no self-respecting journo would drink anything tasting of lime unless he or she was truly under the cosh"

Are you mad? Margueritas, the greatest drinks on gods earth, especially if made with fresh limes, that's it, I'm off down the local poncey cocktail bar... erm entertaining clients out or summat.

Jeffrey Bernard 

Posted Wednesday 6th June 2007 16:56 GMT

"no self-respecting journo would drink anything tasting of lime unless he or she was truly under the cosh"

Vodka, Lime and Soda - offical name a 'Jeffrey Bernard'

Do at least a little research please!

Title 

Posted Wednesday 6th June 2007 17:11 GMT

@16:20 - even older than that. Back in the early eighties there was a similar product that used cyclodextrins (rings of six to eight glucose units) to hide away the alcohol.

And yes, the tax claim is about as valid as the one that says you can freeze-concentrate your homebrew and it's legal because you aren't distilling it.

coming next 

Posted Wednesday 6th June 2007 19:14 GMT

I can see encapsulating alcohol (which is a liquid) in some sort of tiny umm, tiny things but how do you "powder" it? And if it truly is powdered how does adding water (which is not a component of alcohol) reconstitute said powder?

If all this is true though can powdered water be far behind?(just add what?)

Powder form 

Posted Wednesday 6th June 2007 20:22 GMT

So... What would happen if you ate this stuff dry? Or put them in Pixie Stix?

Crystal Lite 

Posted Wednesday 6th June 2007 20:39 GMT

So while the ever-so-overconcious weight watchers are popping Crystal Lite into their water bottles, I'll just go along with the crowd.

Water drink mixes are popular with the high school set around here. This could get interesting.

Excellent 

Posted Wednesday 6th June 2007 21:06 GMT

Can I mix it with skunk and smoke it? More to the point, how long before all the yoot mix it with some crappy plastic filled resin and it's all over the Daily Mail?

NB: Not that I know anything about skunk, shitty resin or anything like that. Come to think of it, what's alcohol?

Not a sponge 

Posted Thursday 7th June 2007 01:50 GMT

This is probably simple hydrolysis. I'm thinking something along the lines of Diethylpyrocarbonate or something.

So no. Ethanol is probably not a constituent of the product. The ethanol isn't formed until hydrolysis occurs, and that is after purchase.

Airline 

Posted Thursday 7th June 2007 05:32 GMT

I wonder how the Airlines will take to this... can you now carry booze as its not liquid? (Assuming that the powder is not "white".....)

Best lime drink? 

Posted Thursday 7th June 2007 07:09 GMT

Away with your Margeuritas and Jeffery Archers: the best lime drink without a doubt is the Caipirihna.

re: Airline 

Posted Thursday 7th June 2007 07:40 GMT

Any long haul flights I've been on have had an open bar. Never even thought about bringing my own.

Sad 

Posted Thursday 7th June 2007 07:52 GMT

That's all we need, another vehicle to help more hysterical adolescent junkies get their alcohol fix. It would seem that the main interest in this new product is that is contains a popular drug and not that it tastes particularly good. Unsurprising, I suppose, in societies in cultural decline.

future of clubs 

Posted Thursday 7th June 2007 08:39 GMT

Will clubs soon have a water tap on our side of the bar, and a barmaid the other with a scoop and rows of power in jars?

Dehydrated beer next? 

Posted Thursday 7th June 2007 09:17 GMT

Make beer. Remove water. Ship to pub. Add water. Watneys!!!!

Acohol from water 

Posted Thursday 7th June 2007 09:43 GMT

"And if it truly is powdered how does adding water (which is not a component of alcohol)"

Alcohol is basically:

carbon, hydrogen and oxygen atoms.

Water is:

hydrogen and oxygen.

This wikipedia page shows the possibility to recreate it from water:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol

C2H4 + H2O → CH3CH2OH

Seems close enough to me.

And as such, I believe it /wouldn't/ fall under alcohol laws (as such) since they are NOT selling alcohol but a powder which could be used to create alcohol... Do we need to change any laws now?

Enough with the speculation... 

Posted Thursday 7th June 2007 09:46 GMT

Where's the HOWTO?

Cheers & God bless

Sam "SammyTheSnake" Penny

Re. Adrian Jones 

Posted Thursday 7th June 2007 10:32 GMT

Have you ever had a noseful of fizzy drink ?? I think that's what will happen when you snort it !!

Be aware that you may be taken for a rabies carrier with foam in your face and be put down (humanely, of course )!!

Ethylene is a GAS 

Posted Thursday 7th June 2007 12:56 GMT

C2H4

Melting Point:-169.7 °C

Boiling Point:-103.14 °C

Oh dear. Another Wikivictim.

Alcohol itself has a melting point of -114.3 °C so instead of keeping the sachets cold enough to ethylene, we could just use ethanol crystals.

So it can't be that...

There was a German company selling "powdered alcohol" for drinks (and with suspiciously similar marketing claims to the Dutch students) but their web site went offline some time back. [http://www.subyou.de/]

Seemingly no technical clues there either, even if one uses the waybackmachine.

Title 

Posted Thursday 7th June 2007 13:15 GMT

How about an ester of citric acid and ethanol: would that work?

I shal have to ask you to step outside sir. 

Posted Thursday 7th June 2007 14:33 GMT

The Kamakazi must be defended, right next to the Zombie and Mojito on my list of tasty drinks that involve Lime.

Water into Wine 

Posted Sunday 10th June 2007 23:26 GMT

Sounds like the "magic*" of jesus christ : )

* magic = any significantly advanced technology