Borders and other thoughts.

How many nations in the past have surrendered territory to the losers once

the conflict is over? If you look at history, you will see in the past this was

a fairly rare event. After all, the purpose of war WAS to gain something,

or to protect something. It comes down to power and who has power over

who.

After Isreal was created ,what happened?

Well, a few things.

1) Jews were expelled from most of the arab nations and their property seized

on the basis that they now had a place to go, so they were no longer

"welcome" there.

2) After exporting their jews, they then decided to push them into the sea.

3) Since the Arabs really don't trust each other, and did not fight as a single

force, the Isrealies were able to exploit weaknesses in the arab attack to

destroy them, push them back, and create more defensable borders.

Isreal has given back more territory than their entire nation now consists of.

The Arab nations tend to remind me of the way school boys often act.

When you are at the top, they praise you, when you are at the bottom,

they spit on you. Whatever the crowd is doing, they do. Or, as I once read,

"They are either at your feet or at your throat."

The United States has given more money ot the Palestinians than all of the

Arab nations combined. The Arab nations could easily absorb their "brothers",

but then they would have to deal with situations like the 1970 attempt to

over throw Jordan. Isreal is used as scape goat as to why the common

people of the Arab nations have so little, despite the Trillions of dollars that

have flowed over the years for the oil extracted from their deserts.

RE: re: Firepower Upgrades

"Let them hate, as long as they fear."

Ghaze, I would bet a pound to a peice of shit that you are an slow-brained, half-wit, gun-toting redneck American.

Moron.

Conflating for dummies

> We all remember how many times the Israelis have blown up the London Tube.

>Make sure we never forget they're evil no matter who the suicide bombers are.

Who is "they" in the "they're evil"? I seem to remember that the London Tube bombers were largely British citizens of Pakistani origin, who undertook their attack on fanatic religeous grounds.

The Isreali-Palistinian conflict may have religeous aspects, but it's fundamentally a territorial dispute, with Isreal illegally and brutally occupying land seized in violation of UN resolutions, and enforcing outrageously harsh security measures on adjoining Palestinian territories. It's a struggle typified by stunning over-reaction by Isreali forces (you throw a stone, we open fire with automatic weapons, you shoot a clumsy and inefective rocket, we send in F16s with cluster bombs), where Palestinian casualties are scores or hundreds-fold more than Isreali, and heavily biased toward civilians. And where Isreal constantly shelters behind a thin "but they're the aggressors trying to destroy us" line.

Reminds me of a joke...

A French, a German, and an Israeli go on a safari and are trapped by cannibals. They are brought to the chief, who says, "We are going to eat you right now. But I am a civilized man, I studied human rights at the Patrice Lumumba University in Moscow, so I'll grant each of you a last request." The German asks for a mug of beer and a bratwurst. He gets it, and cannibals eat him. The French asks for three girls. He has crazy sex with them, and then follows the German onto the dining table. The Israeli asks: "Hit me hard, right on my nose." The chief is surprised, but hits him. The Israeli pulls out a Galil assualt rifle and shoots all the cannibals. The mortally wounded chief asks him: "Why didn't you do this before we ate the German?", the Israeli proudly replies: "Israelis are not aggressors!"