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What conspiracy 

Posted Thursday 29th March 2007 12:53 GMT

"But Alan Watt is taking no chances. He has been setting-up mirrors for Cutting Through the Matrix since February, in case the cyber spies decide to strike again"

So, following the money, it's actually a conspiracy of web-hosting providers....

BBC and MSN join the 9/11 censorship 

Posted Thursday 29th March 2007 15:05 GMT

I'm just a low-grade seeker of the truth regarding 9/11. I've learned that it's far easier, and more efficient, to introduce people to the mountain of evidence for 'an inside job', than it is to try to argue them round.

In the last few weeks I've been systematically censored by both the BBC and MSN, when trying to spread awareness of 9/11 anomalies. My posts (and those of anyone sharing my views) to an MSN 'discussion' on "9/11 conspiracy" were getting pulled within 90 minutes, a clear censorship agenda which has left the "discussion" a ridiculously one sided affair, consisting soley of conspiracy detractors' posts, set adrift in a sea of "Message Deleted" tags, where the opposite point of view used to be represented. I took screenshots to illustrate, some of which are posted on my weblog.

http://whisperycat.blogspot.com/

In the case of the BBC, I phoned them after the relevant "Editor's Blog" forum filtered me out (by email address) and informed me I was "not allowed to post". (I simply reposted using an alternative email address, without problem). My details were taken, but to date I've had no explanation from the BBC as to why I have been banned from posting.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2007/02/part_of_the_conspiracy.html

Nothing to hide, nothing to fear, as they say.

Theorys of Conspiracy - a peanut is not a nut... 

Posted Thursday 29th March 2007 16:28 GMT

I have been watching a lot of these theory’s lately on Google Video / You Tube and have come to the conclusion that whilst they make a good storey they are all nuts, they believe there own version of reality with so much conviction they think that anyone who does not agree with them is either a sheep or “one of them”.

Sure some of the things they say MAY have a certain element of truth in them, but when it comes to people like David Icke who thinks the world is ruled by lizards, it just makes me laugh. He then questions why the people he is accusing are not suing him.

Well…

I am sure that the Royal Family, Tony Blair and other such people he accuses have far more pressing issues to deal with besides suing some guy who called them a Lizard…

Would you sue some kid who called you a poo poo head at school? NO!

Texan Alex Jones is another one who I can’t seem to understand. Again, he talks about some things that can be proved like President Bush and his cabinet making obscene amounts of money from the conflict in the Golf.

Then after almost convincing me that there could be something a little strange going on he will start to shout and call the so called “illuminated” ones scum. This kind of behaviour discredits his work & I think it just makes him look just a little mad.

Mr Jones discredits David Icke in a documentary on Google Video saying that he is off his head saying that Lizards rule the world and that David Icke is a con man or he works for the global elite.

In another clip I have seen Mr Jones then starts to say that there are 360 degrees in freemasonry… Right… 33 if you are in the “Scottish rite” and that’s your lot – so I have read…

THEN in the same documentary Alex Jones is telling us that you can’t get past the 180th Degree in Freemasonry if you are human… WTF? First off he is telling us that David Icke is a con man or he works for the global elite because of almost the same thing. Well I have never heard of a 181st Degree animal before… Have you?

IF there is this shadowy elite ruling the world like they say, how could the few control the many as Mr Icke says a way too much.

Think about it…

If everyone found about this, they the Army, Police and the public would turn on them so fast that there would be no more elite.

Also, what separates the conspirators from the rest of us? What makes them think that we are sheep and they are some kind of new age gurus?

I know that this may offend some people who do believe in what these people are saying to you.

For that I apologise, but this is just me expressing my own feelings – and not that of the global elite!

If someone can respond to my issues with what these people are saying in a constructive manor then I am all ears.

Has anyone considered... 

Posted Thursday 29th March 2007 18:00 GMT

...that our glorious governments (being of the foreign persuasion I have the pleasure of having my own set of incompetents thankyouverymuch), who can't find their arses with two hands and a whitepaper (metaphorically - I'm quite sure they know where their real arse is, usually at the head of the table), might not be the best participants in secret conspiracies? I mean, *secret*? And "conspiracy" usually implies a group of people working together towards a common goal over time. Never seen that, never going to. Not in my country, that's for sure (hint: a close ally with a lot of pigs and people with axes (not really but the rumour keeps away the bloody foreigners)).

On top of that, this particular set of conspiracy theories is not even very entertaining. How about digging out something really juicy, like one that says that the assasination of the Russian chap with polonium was really an experiment into superhuman soldiers gone terribly wrong? If it isn't out there, make it up! Show some initiative!! More exclamation points!!! Sheez, I have to do all the thinking around here...

Cheers,

Morten

PS: Since I'm not and never has been a member of any large organization, nor have I ever worn a uniform, I'm not just a conspirator trying to drown out the voices of truth. Really. Scout's honor. Oh... Erm... Ah, forget it.

Some people will believe anything 

Posted Thursday 29th March 2007 19:16 GMT

Next you are going to tell me that some clown who couldn't fly a Cessna 172 took an 80 ton 757 through a hard banked, diving spiral decent from 7000 feet to 2200 then leveled it off and at full speed guided it to ground level, through a massive pressure wave and hit the Pentagon!

That is like me saying I can't drive a Pinto but I can take a 18 wheel Mack truck with a fully loaded trailer and spin donuts with it.

Sheesh. I guess some people will believe anything!

Signed - Hani "The Force Is With Me" Hanjour

PS. The US Government released the flight data recorder for flight 77. Problem is that it doesn't line up with what the 9/11 commission said the path was. So which is wrong? They can't both be right! If the 9/11 commission is wrong what knocked over the light poles? If the 9/11 commission is right then why did the US Government release a bogus flight data recorder?

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/pentagon.html

Oh but the government says it was Hani and they would not lie.

Vast global conspiracies 

Posted Thursday 29th March 2007 20:52 GMT

I love these "vast global conspiracies". Over a hundred people see a FDR and another hundred, unrelated people, hear the CVR. And I suspect that different groups of people handled each of the 4 sets of recorders. Since many of the people are career (ie, not political) FAA employees and contractors, somebody would have blabbed.

Since sys admins come in all political stripes (I once worked with a far right winger and a "Bush stole 2000" freak on contract, and I'm a NRA Lifer and Libertarian), taking down a website as part of a political conspiracy would have someone talking.

There are enough real conspiracies out there (DoJ comes to immediate mind). We don't have to make up any new ones.

But I do know that, through circuitous intermediaries, China owns a majority interest in IT&T and figured that $100M was a cheap price to pay for advanced technology. Hopefully Alex will pick up on that one in the next day or two. Remember you heard it on the Reg, first.

All will be revealed 

Posted Thursday 29th March 2007 21:54 GMT

We meant you no harm. When we seeded your blue planet with life we didn't think your kind, so necessary to our needs, would suffer. Our need for sentient life forms to 'terraform' habitats for us requires we channel evolution toward lifeforms such as yourselves, but usually they don't exhibit such angst.

WE are the Raydons. WE exist in a state of flux capacitation sustained by a finely tuned EMF. The extent of the finely attuned sub fields necessary for each of us to attain bliss is exemplified by my needs. I am Do wap ditty. I'm the mind behind Do Wap music. Sing a few bars of Duke of Earl and I, quite literally will come into your mind. Each of us has similar requirements. The strong system of communications nets your species is building for us is being micromanaged to suit our individual needs. Soon your work will be done and you can 'rest'.

In the mean time could you please stop wearing those damn tinfoil hats.

Not to endorse any particular bunch of nutters... 

Posted Thursday 29th March 2007 22:46 GMT

But the concept that Governments, their darker agencies and to a degree Private enterprise wouln't screw with a network as easily broken and legally vague as the Internet is far more naive than anything you'll find on a conspiracy site.

The lizards are keeping me down!!!! 

Posted Thursday 29th March 2007 23:53 GMT

I happen to be the son of a carpenter. I also have long hair and a beard. The fact that my powers have not yet manifest themselves all point to a massive conspiracy by the Lizards to keep me from saving the Earth!!

Do you think David Icke has sent me a single cent in supoptr, let alone a single email backnig up my claims? No! This just goes to show he is in league with the Lizards, using smoke and mirror techniques to throw off those who are indeed searching for the truth!

I love these conspiracy nutters 

Posted Friday 30th March 2007 00:30 GMT

...one watch of Loose Change and they're experts in the subject.

Regurgitating what someones presented as 'facts' isn't big and it's not clever.

From one purple Elephant to another - stop ruining the internet.

Aspiring Leaders don't Conspire ....... they Inspire surely 

Posted Friday 30th March 2007 07:25 GMT

And would it be conspiratorial of a government and its minister[s] not to share and/or even deny that the Internet is already under Virtualised Control over which they have not a jot of jurisdiction or jurisprudence?

And if such CyberSpace Control is shared Globally/is being Shared Globally, is IT a Global Conspiracy by Intellectually Challenged Status Quo Minnows? ...... in a Deep C of BabelFish...... a DNA CyberIntelAIgentsThing

Or would they be so naive as to think to deny a Fundamentalist Imagination ITs Bases......a Reaction which would merely be them, paradoxically, Positively Reinforcing the Change in Reality and yet suggesting that their Present commitments are marking them out as not Fit for Future Purpose? An EnigmatiConundrum for any Illuminati to prove their less than Enlightened state?

Should a PM keeps schtum about ........<quote>What do you know of a document entitled …..

Real Power ….. and ITs Remote, Virtual Control.

The Invisible and Intangible Management of Human Perception in the Innovative and Enterprising Internet Provision of Virtual Controls…in Improving, Intelligently Designed, Shared Order [SMARTer InterNetworking] for Evolving and Devolved Government.

New World Order Programming in AI and the Internet Control of Government……

…….. and would you even dare to care? </quote> .... especially one who would claim to in tune with the "I can" generation?

Maybe he should have made IT clearer/NEUKlearer if he meant the ICANN generation.

I wonder if he would hunker down and hide behind the Parapet for Puppets ....... cowed rather than emboldened?

Is this another way to say you are on the dole? 

Posted Friday 30th March 2007 17:42 GMT

"a researcher studying the role secret societies play in global events."

I thought their official title was more like "nutter on the dole and without a friend for all his life"

This is funny 

Posted Friday 30th March 2007 19:27 GMT

As an IT manager in one of the biggest shared and dedicated hosting business in the world it always make laugh when I see these theory. We deal on a regular basis with the US, Canada, Europe and also Asia ( including China ) and we never received any request for a legitimate site to be removed.

The FBI, Interpol or the canadian RCMP will request phishing or kiddie porn site to be shut down but that's about it! Look like a lot a people really like when there is a big brother theory as they can jump right in it and claim ( always without real tangible proof ) that they are are a victim of a big machination. Common people get a life! stop trying to get attention by putting lie's around.

FBI WATCH Making cruelty visible 

Posted Saturday 7th April 2007 04:09 GMT

Lehr, Dick & O'Neill, Gerard. BLACK MASS. Public Affairs, 2000.

Looks at the FBI's collaboration in Boston with the Mafia and Irish Mob between 1960 and 2001 in which they collaborated in the murder of 21 women,children and men. Important book showing how the FBI uses the Mafia to commit political and other assassinations .

Melanson, Phillip. THE MURKIN CONSPIRACY. Praeger, 1989.

Professor Melanson looks at the F.B.I.’s role in the assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

Melanson, Phillip. THE ROBERT KENNEDY ASSASSINATION. Shapolsky, 1991.

Professor Melanson is in charge of the Robert Kennedy archives at the University of Massachusetts.

He details the F.B.I.’s role as one of the principal architects of the assassination of Robert Kennedy.

Messerschmidt, Jim. THE TRIAL OF LEONARD PELTIER. South End Press, 1983.

Looks at the miscarriage of justice in the F.B.I.’s handling of the Leonard Peltier case.

Oklahoma City Bombing Investigative Committee. THE FINAL REPORT.2001. author Charles Key

The best book by far providing overwhelming evidence of FBI involvement in the Oklahoma City Bombing .

Navasky, Victor. INVESTIGATING THE F.B.I. Doubleday, 1973.

Contains material presented at a major conference at Princeton University in 1971 investigating crimes committed by the FBI.

Neff, James. MOBBED UP. Dell Publishers 1988.

Important book in understanding FBI collaboration with the Mafia especially how the Bureau uses the Mafia to carry out its political assassinations.

Nelson, Jack. THE F.B.I. AND THE BERRIGANS. Coward, McCann & Geoghegan, 1972.

Looks at F.B.I. death squad directed against Nobel Peace Prize nominee Phil Berrigan and his brother, Jesuit priest Daniel Berrigan.

Olsen, Jack. LAST MAN STANDING: THE TRAGEDY AND TRIUMPH OF GERONIMO PRATT.

Doubleday, 2000.

Provides supporting evidence for the idea of the F.B.I. as a death squad. Examines the F.B.I. acts of genocide against Afro-Americans . Looks at how FBI agents framed Geronimo Pratt, a Afro American Viet-nam vet who spent over 25 years in prison before a judge released him saying he was innocent and framed by FBI agents.

O’Reilly, Kenneth. RACIAL MATTERS. Free Press, 1989.

Professor O’Reilly looks at a file called Racial Matters that the F.B.I. is keeping on Black America.

Parenti, Michael. DIRTY TRUTHS. City Lights Books, 1996.

Dr. Parenti looks at F.B.I. involvement in the assassination of labor leader Walter Reuther while he was organizing protests against the Vietnam War. It includes the essay “Why the Left is Afraid to look at the Assassination of JFK”.

Pepper, William. ORDERS TO KILL. Carroll and Graf, 1995.

Attorney Pepper represented James Earl Ray in his bid for a new trial and won a landmark case in civil court in December 1999 for the Martin Luther King Jr. family. The jury in the case concluded hat the F.B.I. was involved in the assassination of King. His book details our government’s involvement and provides photographic evidence of the F.B.I.’s role in this assassination.

Pepper,William. ACT OF STATE: THE EXECUTION OF MARTIN LUTHER KING Verso Press, 2003

The evidence from the 1999 Civil Trial in Memphis brought by the King family in which the jury concluded FBI agents were principal architects in the assassination of Martin Luther King.

Powers, Richard Gid. SECRECY AND POWER. Free Press, 1987.

A biography of J. Edgar Hoover and his quest for power.

Powers, Tyrone. EYES TO MY SOUL. Majority Press, 1996.

Professor Powers an afro-american, talks about his 9 years working as an F.B.I. agent, and the

FBI FRUHMENSCHEN program. White agents tried to kill him when he was writing this book.

Ranalli, Ralph. DEADLY ALLIANCE. Harper Torch, 2001

Boston Globe reporter Ralph Rannali exposes FBI collaboration with the Boston Mafia from 1960-

2001 where they ran a Murder Inc. President Bush asserted Executive Privilege in 2002 preventing

Congress from seeing the Federal Prosecutor’s Investigative files on this case.

Robbins, Natalie. ALIEN INK. William Morrow, 1992.

Ms. Robbins acquired the F.B.I. files on the major writers and artists of the 20th century, and examines F.B.I. attacks upon them and their freedom of expression.

Schultz, Bud and Ruth. IT DID HAPPEN HERE. University of California Press, 1989.

Contains interviews with human rights activists who survived F.B.I. assassination attempts.

Schultz, Bud and Ruth. THE PRICE OF DISSENT. University of California Press , 2001

The sequel to IT DID HAPPEN HERE with more interviews with civil rights activists and union

organizers and anti-war protestors who survived FBI assassination attempts and with family members of people who were murdered.

Seymour, Sheri. COMMITTEE OF THE STATES. Self-published, 1989.

The F.B.I. infiltrated the California Militia 10 years before the Oklahoma City bombing. The book illustrates how easy it was for the F.B.I. to infiltrate the group and get it to make bombs.

Shows with child-like simplicity how easy it was for FBI agent provocteur to get Timothy McVeigh to make bomb and drive the truck.

Sharkey, Joe. ABOVE SUSPICION. Simon & Schuster, 1993.

Looks at the F.B.I. coverup involving one of its own agents who murdered an informant after he got her pregnant.

Suarez, Manuel. REQUIEM ON CERRO MARAVILLA. Waterfront Press, 1987.

Looks at F.B.I. collaboration with local police in the arrest, handcuffing, and death squad execution of two teenagers in Puerto Rico.

Summers, Anthony. OFFICIAL AND CONFIDENTIAL. G.B. Putnam and Sons, 1993.

This is the book on which the PBS Frontline documentary on J. Edgar Hoover and his friendship with the Mafia is based.

Theoharis, Athan. THE F.B.I. Garland Publishers, 1994.

Professor Theoharis has compiled a comprehensive listing of books and articles about the F.B.I. up to 1994.

Thomas, Kenn. THE OCTOPUS. Feral House, 1996.

Investigates the F.B.I.’s role in the killing of investigative reporter Danny Casolero while he was investigating the October Surprise.

Turner, William. THE ASSASSINATION OF ROBERT KENNEDY. Thunder Mouth Press, 1993.

Written by a former F.B.I. agent, it looks at the F.B.I.’s involvement in the assassination of Robert Kennedy.

Turner, William. REARVIEW MIRROR foreword by Oliver Stone. Penmarin Books CA 2001.

More updated information on FBI involvement in President Kennedy, Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King Assassination written by a former FBI agent.

U.S. Commission on Civil Rights. WHO IS GUARDING THE GUARDIANS? A Report on Police

Death Squad activities. 1981.

Wiener, Jon. GIMME SOME TRUTH. University of California Press, 1999.

Professor Wiener looks at the 14 year battle with the F.B.I. to get them to release their files on John Lennon.

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